We're not talking here about an occasional smoke. When I was smoking this stuff heavily, I would come home from work, start smoking at 4:00 pm, and stop when I went to bed at 10:30. As soon as I got up the next morning, I'd have a smoke before work, and the cycle would start again.
The weekend, I'd probably smoke a 1/4 ounce. As for what I was smoking-about 10 years ago here a type of cannabis known as "skunk" hit the street. It's about 10 to 20 times stronger than any other form, and makes Durban poison resemble grass clippings. The effects of getting off it aren't realised until you actually do. So I didn't know it was causing depression, until I stopped and after getting over it was less depressed. I didn't know it was causing loss of apetite, until stopping and finding my apetite improved. I didn't know it stopped me from dreaming, until I stopped and I was dreaming again.
Lot's of high school and uni students use it here- I see them arrive at classes with their eyes hanging out of their head. But the fact is the majority of these people simply don't have the financial resources to get into the stuff in the way I was.
So pot may be pleasant and innocuous once in a while, but if you do NOTHING else but smoke, it's as damaging as any other drug. I recently saw a documentary about it's use in Australia, and I saw lot's of experiences similar to my own. The laws covering the substance in this country are far more lax than that of the US, which has resulted in the availability of such potent forms as what I've described.
What I'm saying is that anyone who smokes in the way I did, WILL be addicted, regardless of their personality, and WILL spend 2 weeks climbing the walls when they get off the stuff, if they ever do.
Strangely though, I've never been a drinker, and can still get smashed off only 4 or 5 drinks. That's mainly because it usually makes me sick before I can even get that far. I can't drink beer at all. Something about it just doesn't agree with me. I once remember getting severe stomach cramps (last year actually) after just 2 mouth fulls.
I would opine that one's self-attitude not only determines one's propensity for dependency, but also one's chance to "kick" a habit. I was a heavy drinker for many, many years. It created significant problems in my life. By the time i reached 40, however, my attitude toward myself had changed, and i began to see the people around with different insight. I soon dispensed with alcohol as a part of my life, with a bit of backsliding, and it has not been a problem for me to live without it. I still smoke reefer, and i still smoke cigarettes. It would be easier to give up the reefer, and i'm nothing like a heavy, daily user. The tobacco would be much, much more difficult--both because of a very real physical component in the addiction, and because it's the last crutch for dealing with my nervous energy.
Wilso, i have a friend, a very dear friend, who still smokes as you describe. I've looked him straight in the eye and told him that he just smokes for the act of smoking, that he has already gotten the buzz. He admits as much, and then makes really self-defeating jokes about worshipping marijuana, and rolls up another one. I've had to tell him before to stop when he's at my house, because between the tobacco smoke and his reefer smoke, i have a hard time breathing. Even in my heaviest days of reefer abuse, i was never that bad--hell, i'd get so stoned i'd forget to light up, forget where i put it . . . i've never understood obsessive pot smoking--but i'm not trying to be holier-than-thou about it, given my history with booze . . .
Nobody here rolls the stuff, it's too wasteful. Myself and everyone I know/knew always smoked through a bong.
Bongs absolutely trash my lungs, never was very good with them . . . my buddy rolls them up in "blunts"--cigar wrapper leaf . . .
Stopping also got rid of the chronic cough I had developed-obviously due to the bong's harsh work on the lungs that you describe. And like you I still smoke cigarettes, and yep, that would definitely be the hardest habit to kick.
I've recently gone back to rolling my own cigarettes, because they're cheaper and I don't smoke as much-because I've got to take the time to roll them, I generally only smoke when I really want one, other than just lighting up out of habit.
when I was a kid my dad was a dealer so I got into some heavy shit i'd stay up a week stright taking E and drinking constantly i still smoke the odd joined but i stopped the rest when I took a look around and seen 90% of my family was in jail.
One of the high school friends mentioned in my quoted post was really bad, constant pot, morning to night....we had a project to do together, so we met at his place to work on it. He was clearly high when I got there, to the point that he could barely roll another joint. He was glassy-eyed, and drooled on the papers while trying to roll. He eventually passed out, and I did the entire project myself. He did pull himself out of his habit eventually, and has become a wonderful, spiritual person. I think the time he spent in Israel really helped him out. I used to make fun of people from high school who went to Israel to work on the Kibbutzim, but this time, I think it saved someone from themself.
ya i remember watching a buddy die off a bad acid hit 1 night.....seen it too much still hurts to think about i remember going to class high my teachers thought it was great cuz if i wasnt high i was a macho jerk and a smartass class clown.
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I have one psychologically addicted friend and plenty of my friends since university days have been regular/occasional users with no apparent addiction.
I hear that cocaine and nicotine have exactly the same "addictiveness" profile...interesting, huh?
I only smoke when I sing. I hear music differently or better, I'm not sure.
Wilso, pot in moderation is fine by me, but by the time your smoking the amount you talk about your just chasing the high. It's impossible to really achieve it, but you'd kill your lungs trying.
I believe Canada has the worlds best - most potent, BC Bud. I lived in BC on and off over the years and I'm telling you, even this stuff loses its kick if its abused. Addiction to anything can cause depression except sex, maybe...;-} It's also been my observation, alcohol and pot don't mix well. Most people puke at some point when imbibing in the two.
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celi you have never been to jamaica or amsterdam IMO it's Amsterdam, Jamaica, BC. I never puked much on pot and alcohol but then again I had gotten used to it.....if you have an addictive personality or your in a bad situation you can get adicted to anything.
I had to remove this post. It made me too nervous, exposing so much.
safecracker wrote:celi you have never been to jamaica or amsterdam IMO it's Amsterdam, Jamaica, BC. I never puked much on pot and alcohol but then again I had gotten used to it.....if you have an addictive personality or your in a bad situation you can get adicted to anything.
My experience was that drinking first and then smoking was no problem. Smoking first then drinking was....................bad.
I've never smoked weed, experimented with cig's but never smoked a complete pack, hate beer, only been drunk once and hated that.
Had one girlfriend for a short time who was addicted to weed and other, I couldn't handle the multipersonalities.
My sister has a terrible addiction to cig's.
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safecracker - hefty story <nods>
has anyone ever had morphine?
i detached my foot from my leg skating, and it took the doctors three weeks to re-attach it. during those three weeks, i had intraveinus morphine literally on tap. it killed the pain a bit, but gives halucinations. it was the most weird experiance of my life... i saw hamsters running up and down the exposed bone sticking out of my leg.
im not into drugs, but i enjoyed the morphine for what it was. its about 3 years since that, but it made me curious as to what other drugs do to you. has anyone ever tried magic mushrooms? that sounds like a blast... but dangerous too... id like to hear anyones experiance with that drug...
When I was in a headcase ward for 2 weeks seven years ago, a couple of times I had a liquid called largactil. That was the closest I came to hallucinations. Closed my eyes and I was flying F18's. Weird experience. That place also poured tranquilisers down my throat every night, to the point that when I got out I didn't sleep for 4 days. Want to talk about addictiveness-legal drugs are the absolute worst.
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