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Reply Tue 8 Sep, 2009 01:38 pm
What fundamental mistakes did the Germans make by trying to take Stalingrad?
 
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Reply Tue 8 Sep, 2009 02:25 pm
Brian - here's a short bibliography with the answer to your question:
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Axel, Albert. Russia’s Heroes. New York: Carroll and Graf Publisher, Inc., 2001. Battle for Stalingrad: The 1943 Soviet General Staff Study. Ed. Louis C. Rotundo. London: Pergamon-Brassey’s International Defense Publisher’s, Inc., 1989. Bekker, Cajus. Translated by Frank Ziegler. The Luftwaffe War Diaries. New York: Da Capo Press, 1964. British Air Ministry. The Rise and Fall of the German Air Force, 1933-1945. New York: St. Martin’s Press, 1983. Brookes, Andrew. Air War Over Russia. Hersham: Ian Allan Publishing, 2003. Chuikov, Vasili. The Battle For Stalingrad. Translated by Harold Silver. With an introduction by Hanson W. Baldwin. New York: Holt, Rinehart and Winston, 1964. Cooper, Matthew. The German Air Force, 1933-1945: An Anatomy of Failure. New York: Jane’s, 1981. Corum, James S. and Richard R. Muller. The Luftwaffe’s Way of War: German Air Force Doctrine, 1911-1945. Baltimore: The Nautical and Aviation Publishing Company of America, 1998. Craig, William. Enemy at the Gates: The Battle for Stalingrad. New York: Reader’s Digest Press, 1973. Deichmann, Paul. Edited by Dr. Alfred Price. Spearhead for Blitzkrieg: Luftwaffe Operations in Support of the Army, 1939-1945. London, 1996. Erickson, John. The Road to Stalingrad: Stalin’s War with Germany. Vol. 1. London: Harper and Row, Publishers, 1975. Faber, Harold, ed. Luftwaffe: A History. New York: Quadrangle, 1977. Galland, Adolf. The First and The Last: The Rise and Fall of the German Fighter Forces, 1938-1945. Translated by Mervyn Savill. New York: Henry Holt and Company, 1954. Glantz, David M. A History of Soviet Airborne Forces. London: Frank Cass, 1994. Hayward, Joel S. A. Stopped at Stalingrad: The Luftwaffe and Hitler’s Defeat in the East, 1942-1943. Lawrence, Kansas: University Press of Kansas, 1998. 93 Irving, David. The Rise and Fall of the Luftwaffe: The Life of Luftwaffe Marshal Erhard Milch. Boston: Little, Brown and Company, 1973. Jukes, Geoffrey. Stalingrad: The Turning Point. With an introduction by Captain Sir Basil Liddell Hart. New York: Ballantine Books Inc., 1972. Kershaw, Ian. Hitler 1936-45: Nemesis. New York: W. W. Norton and Company, 2000. Lee, Asher. The German Air Force. New York: Harper and Brothers Publishers, 1946. Lewis, S. J. “The Battle of Stalingrad.” In Block by Block: The Challenge of Urban Operations. Edited by William G. Robertson and Lawrence A. Yates, 29-58. Fort Leavenworth: U.S. Army Command and General Staff College Press, 2003. Manstein, Erich von. Lost Victories. Novato, Ca.: Presidio Press, 1994. Murray, Williamson. “Strategic Bombing: The British, American, and German experiences.” In Military Innovation in the Interwar Period. Edited by Williamson Murray and Allan R. Millet. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1998. ________. Strategy for Defeat: The Luftwaffe, 1933-1945. Maxwell Air Force Base, AL: Air University Press, 1983. ________. “The World in Conflict.” In The Cambridge Illustrated History of Warfare: The Triumph of the West. Edited by Geoffrey Parker. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2000. Nielsen, Andreas. The German Air Force General Staff. New York: Arno Press, 1968. Schneider, Franz and Charles Gullans, trans., Last Letters from Stalingrad. With an introduction by S. L. A. Marshall. Westport: Greenwood Press, [1962]. Schröter, Heinz. Stalingrad. Translated by Constantine Fitzgibbon. New York: E. P. Dutton and Company, Inc., 1958. Speer, Albert. Inside the Third Reich. Translated by Richard and Clara Winston. New York: The Macmillan Company, 1970. ________. Spandau: The Secret Diaries. Translated by Richard and Clara Winston. New York: Macmillan Publishing Company, 1976. Stalingrad: An Eye-witness Account. New York: Hutchinson and Company, [1945]. Trevor-Roper, Hugh, ed. Hitler’s Table Talk 1941-44: His Private Conversations. London: Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1973. 94 Trevor-Roper, Hugh, ed. Hitler’s War Directives, 1939-1945. London: Sidgwick and Jackson, 1965. Westphal, Siegfried. “Between the Acts.” In The Fatal Decisions: Six Decisive Battles of the Second World War From the Viewpoint of the Vanquished. Edited by William Richardson and Seymour Freidin. Translated by Constantine Fitzgibbon. New York: William Sloane Associates, Inc., 1956, 190-196. Zeitzler, Kurt “Stalingrad.” In The Fatal Decisions: Six Decisive Battles of the Second World War From the Viewpoint of the Vanquished. Edited by William Richardson and Seymour Freidin. Translated by Constantine Fitzgibbon. New York: William Sloane Associates, Inc., 1956, 132-189. Ziemke, Earl and M. E. Bauer. Moscow to Stalingrad: Decision in the East. Washington D.C.: Center of Military History, United States Army, 1987. ________. Stalingrad to Berlin: The German Defeat in the East. Washington, D.C.: Center of Military History, United States Army, 1987. U.S. Government Sponsored Documents Primary U. S. Army. Command and General Staff College. Headquarters Air P/W Interrogation Detachment Military Intelligence Service: Hermann Goering. 1 June 1945. Combined Arms Research Library, Fort Leavenworth, KS. File N-10007-3. ________. Interrogation of Reich Marshall Hermann Goering. 10 May 1945, 1700 to 1900 hours. Combined Arms Research Library, Fort Leavenworth, KS. File N9618. Secondary Corum, James S. “The Development of Strategic Air War Concepts in Interwar Germany, 1919-1939,” taken from Air Command and Staff College. Distance Learning Version 3.0: Military Studies. Montgomery, AL: Air Command and Staff College, 2000. Deichmann, Paul. German Air Force Operations in Support of the Army. USAF Historical Studies, No. 163. Montgomery, AL: USAF Historical Division, Research Studies Institute, Air University, 1962. Emme, Eugene. Hitler’s Blitzbomber. Maxwell Air Force Base, AL: Documentary Research Division, Research Studies Institute, Air University, 1951. 95 House, Jonathan M. Toward Combined Arms Warfare: A Survey of 20th-Century Tactics, Doctrine, and Organization. Fort Leavenworth: U.S. Army Command and General Staff College, 1984. Howell, Edgar. The Soviet Partisan Movement, 1941-1944, Department of the Army Pamphlet 20-244. Washington: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1956. Morzik, Fritz. German Air Force Airlift Operations. USAF Historical Studies, No. 167. Montgomery, AL: USAF Historical Division, Aerospace Studies Institute, Air University, 1961. Plocher, Herman. The German Air Force versus Russia, 1942. USAF Historical Studies, No. 154. Montgomery, AL: USAF Historical Division, Aerospace Studies Institute, Air University, 1966. ________. The German Air Force versus Russia, 1943. USAF Historical Studies, No. 155. Montgomery, AL: USAF Historical Division, Aerospace Studies Institute, Air University, 1967 Spiller, Roger. Sharp Corners: Urban Operations at Century’s End. Fort Leavenworth, KS: Combat Studies Institute, 2001. Trogdon, Gary A. “Logistics in the Desert, December 2003.” U.S. Army Center of Military History, Fort McNair, Washington, DC. “The United States Strategic Bombing Survey: Summary Report (European War),” ed. US Army Command and General Staff College. H100 Transformation in the Shadow of Global Conflict. Fort Leavenworth: U. S. Army Command and General Staff College, 2003. Vaughn, David K. and James H. Donoho. “From Stalingrad to Khe Sanh: Factors in the Successful Use of Tactical Airlift to Support Isolated Land Battle Areas.” Air and Space Power Chronicles. Dissertations and Theses Muller, Richard. “The German Air Force and the campaign against the Soviet Union, 1941-1945.” Ph.D. Diss., The Ohio State University, 1990. Thyssen, Mike. “A Desperate Struggle to Save A Condemned Army--A Critical Review of the Stalingrad Airlift.” Research Paper, Air Command and Staff College, 1997. 96 Periodicals and Newspaper Articles Brown, Frederic J. “America’s Army: Expeditionary and Enduring Foreign and Domestic. Military Review 83, no. 6 (November-December 2003): 69-77. Dudney, Robert S. “The Mobility Edge.” Air Force Magazine 86, no. 8 (August 2003): 2. Gosztony, Peter I. “22 June 1941.” Military Review 51, no. 6 (June 1971): 47-51. Kaplan, Robert D. “Supremacy by Stealth.” The Atlantic Monthly 292, no. 1 (July/August 2003): 66-80. Kagan, Frederick. “The Evacuation of Soviet Industry in the Wake of ‘Barbarossa’: A Key to the Soviet Victory.” The Journal of Slavic Military Studies 8, no. 2 (June 1995): 387-414. Murray, Williamson. “Clausewitz Out, Computer In: Military Culture and Technological Hubris.” The National Interest, 1 June 1997. . Pickert, Wolfgang. “The Stalingrad Airlift: An Eyewitness Commentary.” Aerospace Historian, (December 1971): 183-185. Potter, Edwin J. “Prelude to Barbarossa.” Military Review 58, no. 9 (September 1968): 56-64. Sas, Anthony. “Invasion of Russia.” Military Review 51, no. 6 (June 1971): 38-46. Tirpak, John A. “A Clamor for Airlift.” Air Force Magazine 83, no. 12 (December 2000): 24-30. Wood, David. “Military Acknowledges Massive Supply Problems in Iraq War.” Newhouse News Service, 22 January 2004.
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Reply Tue 8 Sep, 2009 07:26 pm
When you will have digested that, you will probably come to the conclusion that they were afflicted by Hitler's hubris, which couldn't admit defeat.
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Reply Mon 21 Sep, 2009 06:00 pm
Basically time defeated Germany at stalingrad, once winter came it was to late, they then became surrounded by the Russians, utilising the frozen lake. Another point was that Stalin would not let it go, for two reasons one because the city was named after him, and more importantly it opened up russia's oil fields in the Baltic.
Why Russia defeated Germany in the war was to two fold, the Germans never prepared for a Russian Winter, and Russia made available it's crack Serbian Troops who were kept in reserve for the Japanese, when it was known that Japan was taking the Pacfic these troops also turned the tide if battle.
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Reply Mon 21 Sep, 2009 06:04 pm
You better scram before Setanta gets here
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Reply Mon 21 Sep, 2009 06:26 pm
Well, it seems that you paid more attention in class--but not that much more. The oil fields of the Soviet Union were nowhere near the Baltic--get a map of the world, look for the Baltic Sea, and then look for the Caspian Sea. Quite a long distance apart, no?

Stalingrad (now Volgograd) was surrounded after mid-November, 1942, because Russian Guards divisions swept away the forces on the flanks of the German Sixth army. However, Stalingrad/Volgograd does not sit on the shores of a lake. It sits on the banks of the Volga river (unsurprisingly).

The troops in which the Soviets were able to bring to the defense of Moscow were not Serbian. Serbia is a country on the opposite end of the Eurasian continent from Siberia, where Soviet troops had been stationed during the desultory war between Japan and the Soviet Union. The Serbs and the Russians have long been friends, but i assure you there were no "crack Serbian Troops" serving in the Soviet Union during the Great Patriotic War.

The Soviet troops in Siberia cannot necessarily be described as "crack troops," although certainly they were well and fully equipped, because the Soviet Union and Japan fought a war in the far east in 1938 and 1939. The outcome was indecisive, but the Soviets had managed to hand the Japanese a very punishing defeat in 1939. That war was an undeclared war, and Japan and the Soviet Union signed a neutrality pact in April, 1941, which is why, after assuring themselves that the Japanese w0uld not break the pact and attack them, the Soviets felt safe in transferring the roughly 40 divisions they had committed to the Soviet far east back to Soviet Europe to defend Moscow. It is more than a little naive to suggest that anyone "knew" at any time that Japan was "taking the Pacific." Among other things, the continued existence of the United States Navy made that an open question.

It does appear, though, that you remembered some things from history class. I would suggest to you that when you feel moved to answer a question like this, that you should go online to look up the events to which you refer, to make sure you've got your ducks in a row.
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Reply Mon 21 Sep, 2009 10:53 pm
As Panzado warned me Setanta you are the king of history. I have only just logged onto this site and thought I'ld write something down basically because the initial response in my opinion was over the top. Although I am a modern history buff. I better research my findings a bit better in the future. Got a topic?
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Reply Tue 22 Sep, 2009 01:05 am

A topic?
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Reply Tue 22 Sep, 2009 02:52 am
I'm not, nor do i claim to be, the "King of history." I did not provide a detailed response to this thread because it was obviously a case of the original post being an attempt to evade a homework assignment, and get the quick, easy way out of having someone online provide the answer. Your response shows a confused memory of an explanation of the type one gets in a history class in school, which is why i have said that you paid some attention--but the gross errors in it of historical narrative and geography are evidence that you either didn't pay that much attention, or, having forgotten key details in the interim, you posted from memory without checking your facts. Given that i get lazy myself, and post from memory without first checking my facts, i wasn't that hard on you.

I have no interest in indulging in some sort of contest, and i suspect that it would not be that hard for you to do some basic research and to provide a better answer than the one you gave here. I hope you will in future.
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