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Are you willing to pay for access to online news?

 
 
View Profile ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2009 06:54 pm
msolga wrote:
since Murdoch (like most other large news proprietors) is primarily concerned with making as big a profit as possible

So yes, there'll still be a lot of free online news material available, but it's the quality & diversity (& perhaps accuracy) of the reporting & commentary that will suffer (in my opinion).


do you think Murdoch's papers/websites provide better quality/diverse/accurate news than sources like the BBC/NPR/CBC?

I certainly don't. I think the best reporters have been with public broadcasters for decades.
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2009 06:59 pm
Wink

Yeah, yeah..

But ya know, Eorl, when quality journalists jobs do start vanishing, the reporting we receive on the ABC (in Oz) might not be as good, or as professional, in the future. (Besides, the ABC has been known to "pick the bones" of excellent o/seas news coverage of world events. Wink )
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2009 07:15 pm
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do you think Murdoch's papers/websites provide better quality/diverse/accurate news than sources like the BBC/NPR/CBC?

I certainly don't. I think the best reporters have been with public broadcasters for decades.


I think the quality Murdoch's media contributions "vary", ehBeth. News Corporation's outlets vary quite a bit, depending on the different audiences he can make a buck from, I guess.

I agree with you on the quality of public broadcasters (re news & current affairs), here in Oz, anyway. Can't really comment on the rest of the world. But, many of the the ABC's journalists here have worked in both the public & private sectors. I guess I'm concerned about the impact on the profession across the board.
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2009 07:35 pm
msolga asked:

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Are you willing to pay for access to online news?


No.

And I don't care how much clout brother Rupert has. I buy a standard newspaper daily. What news I get online is incidental. If I had to pay for it online, I'd just start watching TV news which I do now only if I'm following a particular fast-breaking story.

News online isn't worth paying for.
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2009 10:13 pm
msolga wrote:
So, if many newspapers do go out of business, what happens to these journalists & our access to quality reporting?


It's not going away, it's moving. It's not like the newspaper industry has been making the bulk of their money from their consumers anyway. Their solution has never been to charge for the content, they made their money by selling ads on their content themselves. What is changing is that advertising is increasingly moving online, and the online medium is one they don't get as well as newer companies do and they insist on doing stupid things like trying to charge for subscriptions instead of just figuring out how the internet works.

Old world media is going to have to turn into new world media or they'll be left behind. They are going to have to be more agile companies because the online ad-supported business model is one of lower margins and greater scale. They can't compete with free by trying to wall their gardens. The switching cost for their readers is a mouse click, they need to by hyper-competitive to survive online. The overwhelming majority of them simply are not of sufficient quality to merit paying for versus tolerating ads on. What are they going to do? Cover news that nobody else knows about? Get exclusive interviews? The quality of the writing is something that plenty of free sites are going to be able to match, so only absolute authorities in their niche (e.g. WSJ, trade publications) get away with charging subscriptions.

The bottom line is that most of the ways they made money are things that are much better served online. Their job post classifieds are obsolete when you compare them to online job boards. Heck, any of their classifieds are obsolete when you compare them to online classifieds, their ad rates are insane compared to the ROI you can get online (I'm taking orders of magnitude of difference).

Online they are faced with people who do those things better than them and because the operating costs of online publishing are so much lower there are people willing to operate much lower margin businesses. You have businesses like craigslist, who aren't interested in maximizing their profits and are fine with eating their collective lunch for very little. You have portals like Yahoo who were early to the game and are major news publishers. You have job boards who have already entrenched themselves online. You have a much more efficient ad platform in search and text link ads from folks like Google and Yahoo.

What happened to the old world media was that they resisted this fundamental change for too long. Their first instinct was to wall their online gardens and that let other sites like Yahoo establish the clear lead in online news. The ad-supported business model on the internet is shaking up a lot of industries and you'll get to see this happen to radio and television next.

They must innovate or die. Walling their gardens won't even put off their death and I'd be a very unhappy shareholder to hear them talk about that as their strategy in this day and age. They need to make bold online moves themselves or partner with online giants (see this article on the Yahoo Ad Consortium) to get through this. Pretending their journalism is so damned good that people are going to line up to pay for it online is to try to fight the tide. This is a fundamental cultural shift (think "Video killed the radio star") that is only just beginning, they need to figure it out or they'll die off to those who do.
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2009 10:22 pm
Yeah, but it's only newspapers that face extinction, and why shouldn't they? Aren't we all encouraged not to print material we could just read and store electronically? It's just Murdoch not realising that news has been democratised and can't be controlled as easily as it once was. His only chance of success is to buy the entire worldwide communications infrastructure and pocket the charge for access. Or to just use advertising revenue like some newspapers do.
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Reply Fri 21 Aug, 2009 05:17 pm
This sounds like a 'justification' 'benefit' of the future version of a controlled censored web. Surely its ludicrous to pay for any cartel news when the media is servicing corporations rather than the readers? Why do you pay to hear what they need to tell you? If you didnt buy it, it would be free.
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Reply Mon 31 Aug, 2009 11:09 pm
Here is a great article about the future of newspapers that contains this useful graph:

http://www.niemanlab.org/images/Share-of-market-4908.PNG

This isn't about quality journalism at all, this is about the shifting of media empires. It used to be that newspapers were the gods of media (remember how comic book characters like Jimmy Olsen from Superman used to work for newspapers? That is because it was cool back then.) but the medium is losing influence and has been for years (first to TV, then to the internet).

If they want to survive they need to fight (on the internet) for market share. They lost it by being slow to move online, and they aren't going to get it back by charging (they never made their money this way, and they aren't going to).

I agree with the article author's conclusion:

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While it’s fine to continue milking the print side for whatever profits it may still yield, that “brighter future” should be focused on building vibrant new 2010 models of those digital platforms to begin rebuilding market share in a post-newspaper world. Newspapers have stood by while many others have built a world of digital media and digital commerce. The time for newspapers to become digital news enterprises is now, and it’s their only hope.
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Reply Tue 1 Sep, 2009 12:52 am
Thanks very much for that, Robert. I won't comment till I've had a chance to read the article properly & also closely scrutinized that graph. Judging by the quote you posted, it sounds a very interesting read!
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Reply Wed 9 Sep, 2009 06:21 pm
Robert Gentel wrote:
Paying for news isn't going mainstream unless something like micropayments becomes mainstream.



And Google is apparently developing a micropayments platform.

Google is seen by a lot of the newspapers as a big reason they are losing revenue, which is true in the sense that Google dominates the internet, and the internet is eating into traditional media. Google has been trying to figure out how to help newspapers, here is another article on this latest effort, at the bottom of which are many other articles on the Google/newspapers relationships.
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Reply Wed 9 Sep, 2009 06:29 pm
I am willing to pay very little, and only if the content is great AND the ads and other BS disappears. Even then $100 a year is all that I could justify, and that is with me using it a lot.

Right now there is nothing that I would be willing to pay for, it would need to be much better than what we have.
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Reply Mon 16 Nov, 2009 02:26 pm
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Washington - Readers would be willing to pay small monthly amounts for online news, according to an international survey released Monday.

Americans were at the bottom of the list of what they would be willing to pay, at 3 dollars a month, compared to Italians who would pay the top fee of 7 dollars a month, the Boston Consulting Group reported in its survey.
BCG questioned 5,083 people in an internet survey that also included Germany, Australia, France, Britain, Spain, Norway and Finland.

Forty-eight per cent of regular internet users said they would pay to read news online, including on mobile devices, according to the New York Times report on the survey. In some western European countries, more than 60 per cent would pay.

"The good news is that, contrary to conventional wisdom, consumers are willing to pay for meaningful content," said John Rose, BCG's head of global media studies.

"The bad news is that they are not willing to pay much," he added.

The print media industry has been dogged by the question of survival for several years as it suffered a drastic drop in advertising, not only because of rivalry from the internet but also due to the recession. Major papers such as The New York Times, Washington Post and Los Angeles Times have laid off hundreds of journalists in the past two years.

Advertising accounts for about 80 per cent of newspaper revenues.
BCG found that consumers had priorities for what they would pay for: unique information, such as local news; timely delivery, such as in a continual news alert system; and convenience of access, on a device of choice.
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BCG Press Release
View Profile BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 16 Nov, 2009 05:00 pm
Dreamers if they think anyone will pay for news online survey or no survey.

Get the funds with online ADVs.
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