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Are Savant Autistics intelligent?

 
 
Reply Sat 15 Aug, 2009 10:17 pm
Are the people that have the abilities that no one else on earth match but in such a narrow place intelligent?

They may not be able to tell you what 1 + 1 is (dont start wise cracking on the 1 + 1 please) but they can play an extended mozart piece back to you on a piano perfectly. Is that intelligent?
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Reply Sat 15 Aug, 2009 10:20 pm
absolutely... music is math too.
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Reply Sat 15 Aug, 2009 10:25 pm
First, you have to define "intelligence."
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Reply Sat 15 Aug, 2009 10:27 pm
Intelligence in my mind is yet to be defined but for this issue im talking avbout the current general opinion.
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Reply Sat 15 Aug, 2009 10:34 pm
you also get linguistic savants who can speak up to id say about 12+ languages and maybe learn one... look up daniel tammet.
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Reply Sun 16 Aug, 2009 06:02 am
Ogitoc groe sum wrote:
Are the people that have the abilities that no one else on earth match but in such a narrow place intelligent?

Of course. But dogs and cats and people are all intelligent. I think you need to refine your question a bit before it can be answered effectively.
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Reply Sun 16 Aug, 2009 08:22 am
intelligence in this case reffering to the current view of intelligence in humans, if it involved animals i would have involved animals within the question proposed.
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Reply Sun 16 Aug, 2009 01:58 pm
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the current view of intelligence in humans
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That's ducking rosborne's question. There isn't a single "current view".For example, one definition of "intelligence" in psychology is "the capacity to delay a reponse". Since autism often involves triggered ritual behaviour, one might label that as "unintelligent". On the other hand, those who study autistics often report "unique strategies for problem solving" a faculty which might be labelled "genius" in so called "normals".

A key issue is that language users and language is socially acquired. So since autism is often characterized by failure to make social connections, the autistic is unlikely to be able to communicate his/her cognitiive abilities adequately. i.e. there may be "latent intelligence" which remains covert.
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Reply Sun 16 Aug, 2009 03:20 pm
There is what is described as intellectual breadth and intellectual depth. I think the case of the typical savant could be described as having intellectual depth without very much accompanying breadth (of subjects in which they are knowledgeable or show marked intelligence).

But yes, I'd say they possess a unique and sometimes extremely impressive sort of intelligence, specifically because it seems to be innate and seemingly springs from nowhere - like an amazing or miraculous gift or talent.
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Reply Tue 3 Nov, 2009 07:39 pm
Intelligence is currently defined as the ability to learn from experience, to think rationally, and to deal with others.

While a savant can play extremely difficult pieces of music or remember certain things like dates, people, facts, etc., it does not necessarily make them intelligent. They have the ability to learn, but thinking rationally and communicating with others can be impaired. They're like everyone else in the sense that they excell in certain areas, but are averge/below average in others.
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Reply Tue 3 Nov, 2009 09:44 pm
Lifeisart wrote:

Intelligence is currently defined as the ability to learn from experience, to think rationally, and to deal with others.

While a savant can play extremely difficult pieces of music or remember certain things like dates, people, facts, etc., it does not necessarily make them intelligent. They have the ability to learn, but thinking rationally and communicating with others can be impaired. They're like everyone else in the sense that they excell in certain areas, but are averge/below average in others.


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