@ehBeth,
Whatever but once more I am no talking about some cultural differences............
Bill's an idiot in more ways than not being able to distinguish between Macedonians and Greeks. We went down this road before, had exactly the same discussion, in this thread. Apparently, that's slipped his mind.
@Setanta,
Macedonians? Oh, you mean Barbarians.
@Thomas,
Riiiight. In the dispute about whether the ancient Macedonians spoke a different language there is the evidence of Attic plays which depicted the Macedonians speaking like country bumpkins, their speeches interspersed with unintelligible gabble.
@Setanta,
Quote: In the dispute about whether the ancient Macedonians spoke a different language there is the evidence of Attic plays which depicted the Macedonians speaking like country bumpkins, their speeches interspersed with unintelligible gabble.
Riiiiiight. You really are one ignorant mother when it comes to a lot of things, "pathfinder". "speaking like country bumpkins" - could you really be any dumber?
@ehBeth,
I surely do get it....................
To sort of "scrub the hall", Cleopatra was most certainly of anthropological Caucasian heritage, though DNA suggests that all of us came from either of two sisters in Central Africa, probably sub-Saharan. We know that she was the product of at least sixteen generations of Macedonian ancestry, therefore the aforementioned anthropology. Egyptians were a mix of West Africans (Semetic, Ethiopic, SubSaharan Negroid (excluding Berber), probably some Greek and other mixes. The royalty were most certainly of some Caucasian heritage. the workers known as the Felaheen may have been actually bred: short and broad bodies of heavy musculature, large rib cage and heavily boned, able to withstand extremes of temperature, humidity, arduous labor, stamina and high intelligence. Cleopatra was not one of these. There is a Roman coin with her supposed likeness on the obverse. On that her nose is quite long, even crooked. Her hair is long and waved. She was, by our standards at least, not comely at all. Perhaps it was her superior intelligence, charm, force of personality, social adeptness and the very fact she was the Queen of Egypt, the very nest of the world. Unfortunate for her was the fact that she came from the fifth- and weakest- line of Egyptian rulers. alexandria was itself a huge conglomeration of racial typologies and sub-typologies, cultures, religions, social stratifications and industries that no one is his opr her right mind would have even dared to have called in "Egypt", much less ruled by it. To wit, she was a figurehead, an ambassador, hired diplomat and not much more. (The British Royal family serves these purposes and it is their sole industry. No one would dare tell them that they are fulfilling exactly the same mission as Cleopatra). Cleopatra was not more Egypto-African than citizens of the U.S. with ancestors are "Afro-American"; U.S. citizens, no matter their etiology, are not hyphenated, especially with their provenence taking nominal mastership of their actual native citizenship; I could call myself Anglo-American, but it would be perfectly ridiculous on the face of it. Useless. nonsensical, redundant, illogical and incorrect- and not even wrong. Since I have said what I set out to say I now deem this a "non-argument" and therefore a "non-issue". Let us all quit "Trying To Make It Real Compared To What" as Les McCann and Eddie Harris composed and recorded. We can stick the fork in. Its done.
@Seaumas,
Quote:To wit, she was a figurehead, an ambassador, hired diplomat and not much more. (
Where the hell do you get your history as it surely is not from any standard historical understanding of her role in the governing/ruling of Egypt!!!!!!
@iamsam82,
This question has come up before on other forums, so I finally decided to do some research on it.The ancient Egyptians were a multiracial society.
Look at the location of Egypt. It is partially in Africa and partially in the Middle East.The glittering success of the ancient Egyptians naturally brought it immigrants from Africa and Egypt actually had a Nubian(Black) king at one point.
It is very possible that Cleopatra was of mixed race with some Black in her. although the Egyptian records are not specific on this issue.
The ancient Egyptians actually did not discuss the issue of race at all.When they spoke of someone's origin, it was devoted to where his ancestors came from.
They described their citizens in geographic, not racial, terms.
@JoeBruno,
Which of course, doesn't mean a goddamned thing given that she was not an Egyptian.
@JoeBruno,
"Geographically" she was from Greece.
Can we agree that Cleopatra was a Great African Ape? After all, that's what we all are.
@Thomas,
I'll gladly agree to that, Thomas.
