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Description of modern science

 
 
Fri 3 Jul, 2009 07:06 am
http://www.besse.at/sms/smsintro.html

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There are two forms of scientific method, the inductive and the deductive.
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spendius
 
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Fri 3 Jul, 2009 07:53 am
@gungasnake,
very funny gunga.
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rosborne979
 
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Fri 3 Jul, 2009 08:00 am
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:
http://www.besse.at/sms/smsintro.html
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There's a new fear in the world; the Fear of Science (although this may be the same old "fear of the unknown" which has been around forever).

Judging from this web site, those who don't understand science are afraid of it, and are dubious of anyone who actually understands it.
raprap
 
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Fri 3 Jul, 2009 08:01 am
@gungasnake,
Funny! I remember seeing this during the 80's when OMNI was still being published---

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Chapter 5
The DESCENT of MAN
Creationism vs. Evolutionism
There are still differences of opinion about the descent of man. In the past, there have been bitter disputes over what doctrines should be taught, especially in public schools.

Today however, we understand that all theories should be given equal weight and taught side-by-side. Accordingly, we will outline the two schools of thought and demonstrate the advantages that result from this evenhanded approach.


Evolutionism
Evolutionists hold that man arose by the same gradual process as other creatures. This belief follows from the principle that the same laws of nature apply to man as to the rest of the physical world.
The Evolutionist Model (at left) demonstrates how an ancestral "ape-man" could have evolved an upright stance and humanlike physiology. However, it does not explain the tremendous expansion of the intellect and other intangibles that characterize humanity.

Creationism
Creationists, on the other hand, believe that man was created instantaneously by a cosmic powered super-being from another dimension. This belief is based on ancient, heavily retranslated writings taken from badly decomposed fragments of scroll found in a series of caves in the middle-east.
The Creationist Model (at right) explains the advent of human intelligence by ascribing it to divine fiat in the creation of the first humans, Adam and Eve. A major weakness is that it fails to account for the origin of Adam and Eve's daughters-in-law.

A MODERN SOLUTION
Pictured below, we see how an open-minded approach to these conflicting theories can lead to the resolution of a major problem in each.

REQUIRED NOTICE: This account meets the statutory and regulatory requirements of all U.S. state, county and municipal school boards and districts for works dealing with the origins of man and is warranted to be suitable for use as a teaching tool in accordance with the Guidlines for De Facto Ideological Uniformity of the American Textbook Publishers Association.

Early Man
There were many "missing links" between the earliest ancestral apes and modern Homo Sapiens. Scientists learn about these extinct species from fossil remains.
Here is an example (at left) of a fossil found near the famous "Lucy" fossil discovery. It is the skull of an australopithecine male, named "Desi" by its discoverers. Another couple, named Fred and Ethel, were found in a nearby cave, but Desi is the best preserved specimen.
Scientists can learn much from a relatively small fragment of skeleton. From this fossil, it was deduced that Desi stood about four-foot seven inches tall, walked with a slight limp, disliked zucchini and was a registered Democrat.


Nature's Misteaks
Man and the modern apes are not the only families that descended from the ancestral primates. (left) Many early branches of the hominid tree are now extinct, or survive only in isolated areas.

Other fossil remains have yet to be reliably interpreted. (below)

The Noble Savage vs. Civilized Man
Primitive man lived an idyllic existence, in harmony with nature and his fellows. The advance of civilization exacted a price: as the old ways were replaced by the new, tribal man forgot his ancient natural wisdom.
Among the tribal traditions often displaced by the encroachment of modern society were:

slavery
subjugation of women
fishing by poisoning rivers
human sacrifice
continuous intertribal warfare
hunting by driving herds off cliffs
ritual mutilation
xenophobia
abandonment of the old & dying
abandonment of the young
cannibalism[img][/img]
Despite these losses, civilization brought many benefits. Among them were:

slavery
subjugation of women
air, water & soil polution
organized crime
continuous international warfare
organized religion
fast food
traffic
street mimes
public schools
e-mail

An artist's conception of life in the 21st century.

Introduction

The Universe / Matter & Energy / The Earth / Evolution / The Descent of Man

Appendix / Glossary / Tables & Charts / Further Reading


http://www.besse.at/sms/descent.html

What a hoot it was funny back when Reagan misunderstood the inductive nature of SDI and it was still funny when the Texas idiot was misguiding the Gullible Old Party.

Rap
rosborne979
 
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Fri 3 Jul, 2009 08:30 am
@rosborne979,

There's a new fear in the world; the Fear of Science (although this may be the same old "fear of the unknown" which has been around forever).

Judging from this web site, those who don't understand science are afraid of it, and are dubious of anyone who actually understands it.

(somehow I messed up my previous post. Here it is again in its proper credited form) Smile
spendius
 
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Fri 3 Jul, 2009 09:06 am
@rosborne979,
A scientist messing up a simple thing like a post.

Sheesh!! Even Mame can post properly. Even the correction is messed up. The last line should have been first. And why the "credited"?

The fear is from scientists. Their subject is exhausted. The asymptote looms.

How many scientists were there 100 years ago? How many are there now? Has the human race suddenly evolved a leap in IQ? Not a chance. The exams have been rigged on behalf of Education Inc. So now we have to find them all something to do and they go dafter by the day.

Work expands to use up the grants which can be sung into existence.
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farmerman
 
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Fri 3 Jul, 2009 09:37 am
@gungasnake,
Fundamental "science" goes something like this

Acquire all scientific principles from the BIBLE>->->Reject ANYTHING that doesnt support the BIBLE's tale>->->->ENGAGE IN FRAUD,DECEPTION, and silly posts like Gunga's>->->->REPEAT with a straight face. (and bitch why no Creationists win a NOBEL PRIZE for literature)
spendius
 
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Fri 3 Jul, 2009 09:52 am
@farmerman,
It is nothing of the sort effemm. It's you bitching that human beings are not perfect like wot you is. I've never heard of any Creationist bitching about not getting a Nobel prize and I suspect you haven't.

Why are you pseudo-scientifics so obsessed with asserting that religious people are motivated by fear? Have you got a problem with fear? Some psychological hangup?

Plenty of people, Henry Miller for one, think that scientists bury their consciousness in test tubes and circuits and jargon out of nothing but fear. Fear of life, fear of women, fear of death, fear of not being in control, fear of not understanding things, fear of boozing, fear of gambling with their own money, fear of being a nonentity, fear of being ridiculous and fear of every bloody thing under the sun which their "work" distracts them from the risk of thinking about for even a moment.

You just blithly charge the religious people with fear. But your obsession with fear gives you all away.
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gungasnake
 
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Sat 4 Jul, 2009 06:35 pm
More...

http://www.suppressedscience.net/

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Historically, there were few scientific breakthroughs that were not violently opposed, condemned and strongly resisted. Every scientist knows this, Thomas Kuhn has written a book about it that is considered a classic, and yet the pattern keeps repeating itself. Many mainstream scientists these days believe that science has essentially reached 'the end of the road', that everything that can be understood has been understood, and that therefore claims to genuinely revolutionary discoveries must necessarily be erroneous or fraudulent.

Establishment science has thus gotten into the habit of ignoring, burying or suppressing what has now become astonishing amounts of anomalous evidence. Some of this evidence challenges the very foundations of the accepted scientific worldview, and none of it is taught in universities or covered by textbooks. Mention any of it to a mainstream scientist, and odds are you will be dismissed as a crank, or worse, a crackpot. The conclusion is sobering: some of what passes for "scientific fact" these days is little more than a social construct. What is true and what is not is determined by the scientific prestige of the claimant, the predilections of journal editors and referees, and by economic interests. A scientist who challenges the status quo becomes a persona non grata - banned from publication in journals and speaking on conferences, defunded, marginalized. The victims of this phenomenon include world-class scientists such as Jacques Benveniste, Peter Duesberg, Halton Arp, Stanley Pons and Martin Fleischman.

This site is intended to serve a threefold purpose- to educate the public on the widespread phenomenon of suppression, censorship and unscientific dogmatism in modern science, to expose the methods and tactics of those behind it, especially the organized "skeptics", and to promote a healthy skepticism towards the alleged certainties provided by modern science.
rosborne979
 
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Sat 4 Jul, 2009 08:19 pm
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:
This site is intended to serve a threefold purpose- to educate the public on the widespread phenomenon of suppression, censorship and unscientific dogmatism in modern science, to expose the methods and tactics of those behind it, especially the organized "skeptics", and to promote a healthy skepticism towards the alleged certainties provided by modern science.

Based on those street interviews they do on late night TV, I get the impression that the general public could care less about science, so I can't see many of them getting very interested in this stuff. Other than to just repeat whatever bullshit they hear which supports their own delusional ideology (like you do).
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rosborne979
 
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Sat 4 Jul, 2009 09:24 pm
The medical world on GungaScience...

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Brandon9000
 
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Sun 5 Jul, 2009 06:45 am
Did the computer you're typing on come from science or from religion? Was the CPU the PC contains manufactured with science or with praying? You're describing bad science by bad scientists. The scientific method is to gather data, formulate a hypothesis that fits the data, predict a testable outcome from the hypothesis, test it, and then if the outcome doesn't match the prediction, to revise the hypothesis, make a new testable prediction, and test again. Anyone who claims that science doesn't work is a moron, since the proof that it does is everywhere.

Use your religion to make a testable prediction and tell us what it is so that we can see if it comes true. I'll wait.
djjd62
 
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Sun 5 Jul, 2009 06:50 am
@raprap,
i miss OMNI, it was a great mix of real science and science fiction writing
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gungasnake
 
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Sun 5 Jul, 2009 06:50 am
@Brandon9000,
The bad science in in all the areas in which the normal scientific method has no applicability, the time scales being said to be too vast. And then when somebody DOES come up with real evidence involving normal time scales and reproducible effects in one of those areas, they get jeered and hooted out of the world.

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/1922007/2/istockphoto_1922007_agawa_pictographs_canoe_and_serpents.jpg
farmerman
 
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Sun 5 Jul, 2009 07:54 am
@gungasnake,
You confuse myths with evidence. I was wondering when you were gonna jump off the wall.
Science IS subject to lots of bandwagonism and does contain charlatanry. However, the neat thing is that science is self regulating. When someones quack theories interefere with anothers, the weight of evidence ultimately prevails.Look how Continntal Drift was proven. A weatherman (one of three who was credited with thinking of it first) came up with the phenom and was ridiculed ,so it wasnt for another 20 years when , in WWII, sub chasers began to notice that their magnetics maps act screwy as we sail West to East. Severeal other areas of data and evidence coincided and a Canadian Geologist took it all in and proposed sea floor spreading. AT that time , noone laughed anymore. This theory has been shown to be factual and a whole new batch of industries has resulted based on continental drift.

Brandon9000
 
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Sun 5 Jul, 2009 08:51 am
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:

The bad science in in all the areas in which the normal scientific method has no applicability, the time scales being said to be too vast. And then when somebody DOES come up with real evidence involving normal time scales and reproducible effects in one of those areas, they get jeered and hooted out of the world.

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May one ask why you conclude that science should stay out of phenomena with long time scales?
spendius
 
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Sun 5 Jul, 2009 04:33 pm
@Brandon9000,
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Did the computer you're typing on come from science or from religion?


That's an easy question. It came from the Christian religion.

Did the bus come from round the corner?
spendius
 
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Sun 5 Jul, 2009 05:06 pm
@farmerman,
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Science IS subject to lots of bandwagonism and does contain charlatanry.


How can we identify it effemm? It is reported tonight that "scientists" have found that two cups of coffee a day either prevents Alzhiemers, or could prevent it or might prevent it.

And I do believe, confused and stupid that I am, that people are more interested in preventing Alzhiemers than in ******* continfuckingental ******* drift.
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gungasnake
 
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Sun 5 Jul, 2009 07:13 pm
@Brandon9000,
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May one ask why you conclude that science should stay out of phenomena with long time scales?


I didn't say that. Scientists SHOULD avoid dogmatism in areas in which the scientific method is inapplicable because of time scales.
farmerman
 
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Sun 5 Jul, 2009 07:29 pm
@gungasnake,
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Scientists SHOULD avoid dogmatism in areas in which the scientific method is inapplicable because of time scales.
Seeing as how your own worldview is of an earth that is substantially younger than 100000 yeqrs, this shouldnt present any problems to you,

How do you determine that the scientific method doesnt apply? Im really curious how you classify evidence that is gathered by testing hyypotheses that are based exclusively on the geologic time scale.
 

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