View Profile BAQIR
 
Reply Fri 5 Jun, 2009 07:43 am
Marhaba!

Yesterday at Cairo university Barack Obama said in his speech that he “seek a new beginning between the United States and Muslims”. What a lie! What a damnable lie! You know who Obama is? He is a wolf in sheep's clothing! We all know it good that in America pro-Israel lobby in US congress has too strong voice! So strong that it is sometimes even called a “third party”! Death toll of Muslim civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan - this is the true indicator of “friendly” attitude of Americans towards us! We know why they need to be on friendly terms with the Muslim world! Americans never do anything for no particular reason. Soon Americans will launch a war against China but America’s allies don’t want to send their troops for this slaughter. So Americans want to make us Muslims to fight for them! Double-tongued sluts! Allah damn you!
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View Profile chai2
 
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Reply Fri 5 Jun, 2009 07:51 am
shit, our clever little scheme has been found out.
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Reply Fri 5 Jun, 2009 07:54 am
Double-tongued sluts?
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Reply Fri 5 Jun, 2009 07:56 am
I think Baqir is really H20Man.
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Reply Fri 5 Jun, 2009 08:00 am
I can't believe someone is talking about double tongued sluts and Slappy Doo Hoo and bi-polar bear aren't here yet.
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View Profile parados
 
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Reply Fri 5 Jun, 2009 08:11 am
Well, since our evil plan to make the Muslims fight the Chinese won't work, we will just have to implement our evil plan to make the Chinese fight the Muslims.



Oops.. Did I just say that out loud?
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Reply Fri 5 Jun, 2009 10:19 am
way to go parados.

at this rate we'll never destroy the world.........I mean...........bring about world peace....yeah....world peace.
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Reply Fri 5 Jun, 2009 08:04 pm
The Muslims lost how many wars to little Israel, and now they are supposed to fight one billion Chinese and win?
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Reply Fri 5 Jun, 2009 08:20 pm
I was enormously impressed & heartened by Obama's Cairo speech. Obviously this new administration can't undo the madness & the terrible damage of the past 8 years quickly or easily, but he clearly demonstrated a desire & a willingness to move toward a saner, less destructive (to both sides) state of affairs. One can only keep one's fingers firmly crossed & fervently hope ...
View Profile Eva
 
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Reply Fri 5 Jun, 2009 08:30 pm
Nah, we won't go to war with China. Wal-Mart would go out of business, and you know we're not about to let that happen.

Don't tell anybody, but we're going to have the Muslims in Pakistan take on India. We're sick and tired of all those incomprehensible phone calls.
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Reply Fri 5 Jun, 2009 08:34 pm
msolga wrote:

I was enormously impressed & heartened by Obama's Cairo speech. Obviously this new administration can't undo the madness & the terrible damage of the past 8 years quickly or easily, but he clearly demonstrated a desire & a willingness to move toward a saner, less destructive (to both sides) state of affairs. One can only keep one's fingers firmly crossed & fervently hope ...


Personally, his speech, in my opinion, just reflects the expedient things to say, so everyone will applaud. He is the President of the U.S., and if Israel chooses to ignore his preferences, then it would likely be a stalemate.
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Reply Fri 5 Jun, 2009 08:46 pm
Foofie, what is important (to me, anyway) is that he has made his intent clear. I thought that was admirable. If Israel chooses to ignore the intent of the US, it might just work against the state of Israel. We'll have to see what happens, won't we?
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Reply Fri 5 Jun, 2009 08:55 pm
msolga wrote:

Foofie, what is important (to me, anyway) is that he has made his intent clear. I thought that was admirable. If Israel chooses to ignore the intent of the US, it might just work against the state of Israel. We'll have to see what happens, won't we?


He has made a speech. Whether that speech reflects any intent is just one's conjecture. I can tell you I am Napolean, and stand with my hand in my shirt. You need to decide if I am too tall to be Napolean.
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Reply Fri 5 Jun, 2009 08:55 pm
Mehtinks BAQIR is a FAQIR.
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Reply Fri 5 Jun, 2009 09:08 pm
msolga wrote:

I was enormously impressed & heartened by Obama's Cairo speech. Obviously this new administration can't undo the madness & the terrible damage of the past 8 years quickly or easily, but he clearly demonstrated a desire & a willingness to move toward a saner, less destructive (to both sides) state of affairs. One can only keep one's fingers firmly crossed & fervently hope ...


I was hoping for some discussion of that speech!!!

Very sad only to find it here.


I am also daring to let the faintest tinge of optimism creep in very cautiously, given the nuanced nature of the speech. I hope it signals US pressure on Israel to negotiate with some real intent....and that its recognition of the Palestinians gives some hope/power to their moderates.

I agree, one is too frightened to hope, but this is the best thing I have seen from a US president for a long time.

What do others think???

Wouldn't it be nice if this thread could turn into a reasonable discussion?

I was thinking of this:

Quote:
CAIRO — In opening a bold overture to the Islamic world on Thursday, President Obama confronted frictions between Muslims and the West, but he reserved some of his bluntest words for Israel, as he expressed sympathy for the Palestinians and what he called the “daily humiliations, large and small, that come with occupation.”

While Mr. Obama emphasized that America’s bond with Israel was “unbreakable,” he spoke in equally powerful terms of the Palestinian people, describing their plight as “intolerable” after 60 years of statelessness, and twice referring to “Palestine” in a way that put Palestinians on parallel footing with Israelis.

Mr. Obama’s speech in Cairo, which he called a “timeless city,” was perhaps the riskiest of his presidency, as he used unusually direct language to call for a fresh look at deep divisions, both those between Israel and its neighbors and between the Islamic world and the West. Among his messages was a call for Americans and Muslims to abandon their mutual suspicions and do more to confront violent extremism.

But it was Mr. Obama’s empathetic tone toward the Palestinians that attracted the most attention in the region and around the world. His words left many Palestinians and their Arab supporters jubilant but infuriated some Israelis and American backers of Israel because they saw the speech as elevating the Palestinians to equal status.

Mr. Obama said the bond between the United States and Israel was “based upon cultural and historical ties, and the recognition that the aspiration for a Jewish homeland is rooted in a tragic history that cannot be denied.”

“On the other hand,” Mr. Obama added, “it is also undeniable that the Palestinian people — Muslims and Christians — have suffered in pursuit of a homeland. For more than 60 years, they’ve endured the pain of dislocation.” He said Americans “will not turn our backs on the legitimate Palestinian aspiration for dignity, opportunity and a state of their own.”

Mr. Obama seemed to connect with his audience in his 55-minute speech from Cairo University as he quoted repeatedly from the Koran and occasionally sprinkled his remarks with Arabic, even beginning his address with the traditional Arabic greeting “salaam aleikum,” or “peace be upon you.”

In the speech, which was broadcast and translated around the world, Mr. Obama sounded forceful, even scolding at times, as he promoted democracy in Egypt and women’s rights and acknowledged that the United States had fallen short of its ideals, particularly in the Iraq war.

He divided his speech into seven sections, standing at the podium like the university professor he was before beginning his political career. Mr. Obama sharply criticized what he called the “disturbing tendency” among some Muslims, both Sunnis and Shiites, to “measure one’s own faith by the rejection of somebody else’s faith.”

But while he spoke uncompromisingly of the American fight against Al Qaeda, Mr. Obama never mentioned the words “terrorism” or “terrorist.” That was a departure from the language used by the Bush administration, but one that some Middle East experts suggested reflected a belief by the new administration that overuse had made the words inflammatory........


Full article here: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/05/world/middleeast/05prexy.html?_r=2&th&emc=th

NYT article in discussing the speech.
View Profile msolga
 
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Reply Fri 5 Jun, 2009 09:15 pm
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I was hoping for some discussion of that speech!!!

Very sad only to find it here.


Yeah, me too, Deb.

I thought it was a very important speech & expected to see a few A2K threads discussing the pros & cons. Confused
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Reply Fri 5 Jun, 2009 10:00 pm
I agree with you.

In the meantime, this seems to be a thread by a consequent spam type persona.
Not that I mind riffing off of that, just saying.
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Reply Fri 5 Jun, 2009 10:38 pm
I have tried tagging it so that it may change its spots.

To be honest, I really wanted to open a thread on this, but just couldn't bear the usual vitriol between the rusted on partisans.

Are you saying you agree re the teeny tendril of optimism?

Wish Robert would come...he'd know how it compared with every US speech since 1948!!!
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Reply Fri 5 Jun, 2009 10:44 pm
Yes, I'm twined in a tendril, bitch cynic that I am, because I think there may have been some thirst for ordinary eyes seeing past routine. But I also get that this is all icing of hope.
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Reply Fri 5 Jun, 2009 10:59 pm
I was listening to the regular "debating" section of the morning program on my local ABC radio yesterday. The fellow from the "right" declared Obama's Cairo speech as his "Chamberlain (appeasement) speech" ... while the person for the "left" had nothing but the highest praise for Obama, declaring his speech to be brave, constructive & inspiring.
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