The experts are saying our economy will grow in 2009

The democrats have the votes for this package. Why are they holding things up. They don't need Republican votes do they?

They do need republican votes to get a majority, and Obama has said many times he wants it to be bipartisan.

They need 2 in the Senate, and they have them.

So are you saying that Obama is holding this up? He doesn't NEED any more bipartisan support than he has right now. So if HE chooses to wait until the majority of republicans support this than that is HIS choosing. Personally I hope he waits 4 years.

Thhe GOP should realize that theyve shot themselves in the dick. By not being part of a recovery plan, they appear obstructionist and disorganized. If the stimulus works, the GOP will be out of mit, If it fails, they will be bblamed for not participating enough to make it work. THEY CANNOT WIN (IMHO)


I think 2009 will be a stock buying opportunity for Blue Chips.

I don't get it though FM...what are they obstructing?

The Senate Democrats have 61 votes, enough for cloture. The House has plenty of votes. They aren't obstructing ANYTHING.

Democrats just want them to vote 'yay' for political reasons (ironically, the very thing that Dems accuse Pubs of doing).

I heard the exact opposite this morning about Obama's lack of bipartisan support.

Just like in Texas Holdem...Obama has gone "All In" with his presidency and his party.

If it works, he will be as famous as FDR.
If it fails, the burden rests solely on dems shoulders and he will be ridiculed more than Jimmy Carter.

I agree, the stock market should bring good offers to us, but I'd wait for awhile yet.

The moderate democrats are also voting against this plan. I do not believe there will be too many (if any) 100% approval on any legislation brought forward by Obama.

There were 11 democrats in the house only who voted against the bill (my hereos). Not enough to obstruct anything.

Calls of obstructionism are simply FALSE.

It passed the Senate, 61/36 with three republicans voting for.

See, no obstruction.

maputz said


You know for a college educated guy you're an awfully ignorant and clueless person.

The Republican Senate leaders made it clear that they would fillibuster the stimulus package and force the bill to get 60% of the seated senators for the bill to pass.

That is prima fascia evidence that the Republicans were obstructionist.

So you don't even know enough about the form of government you live under to have a competent opinion on this matter.

On the other hand, when the Democats did not like things they considered anathema, they did not use the fillibuster, regardless of their potential of defeating what the were against because they respected the process. Cite the confirmation of Clarence Thomas who was confirmed by a 52–48 vote, and would not have been seated on the court had the Democrats fillibustered.

The conclusion is that while the Democrats act civil and respect institutional history, the Republicans act like childish little thugs.

Which is why you like the latter and I like the former.

ps: Do yourself and the rest of us a favor, read the US Constitution BEFORE you engage in discussions on constitutional issues, because you look like a fool.

Oh please...I can't even believe I wasted time reading your post.

Your time might have been better spent reading the constitution like kuvasz suggested.

shucks .... good one!

Back to revisit this thread, it doesn't look too promising for much to happen this year. I suspect, we may see some improvement towards the end of this year, but it won't be enough to bring confidence back.

"EXPERTS"? Who the hell called this in the first place? I recall some psychic on the George Noory show saying that 2007 was gonna be a year of a grfeat Depression. She was almost right on.

John McCain 2008 campaign--"The fundamentals of the economy are sound" (Dont buy a used car from that dude)

I'm regularly reading chicken entrails on this one because I consider them more scientific.

Do you read these entrails after eviscerating the chook, or do you read them ...uhh.... in-situ?