Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

There's really unsophisticated and then there's, well you know, that.

At least you've lived a life and have a tale to tell. That's one hell of a lot preferable to brooding, impotent malice.

[img]Your dislike of facts does not make them untrue.[/img]

And your repetition of untruths doesn't make them facts in evidence.

I'm not saying or repeating any untruths. That's why neither you nor anyone else here can point out any errors in anything I say.



The nice thing about facts is, they are facts on their own merits.

I don't know why liberals always think that the truth has to be "made true" before it counts as the truth.

Actually, that isn't correct. I do know why. Liberals don't like that facts always contradict their bankrupt ideology, and they concoct weird excuses for denying the existence of facts.

It's still bizarre though. When you are around conservatives everyone is always honest and straightforward. Then suddenly you come across a liberal on the internet and it's all "delusions count for more than reality", "the truth doesn't matter because you haven't made it true yet" and all sorts of similar nonsense.

I have put oralloy on ignore. The only person who encourages oralloy is you.

Secular People, Gays and Arabs Don't Have Feelings in Israel

I’m offended to the depths of my soul by what is done here in my name every day, but being neither religious nor right-wing, no one cares about offending my sensibilities.

Gideon Levy
Jul 21, 2016

As with every other human thing in Israel, feelings, too, belong only to Jews. And, in fact, only to religious Jews. The meticulous will also add Holocaust survivors and bereaved families. It’s only their feelings that one is forbidden to offend. Everyone else has no feelings, or at least they needn’t be taken into account.

There’s no such thing as offending the sensibilities of secular people, leftists or just plain people, and certainly not of Arabs.

The Gay Pride Parade, for instance, is liable to offend religious sensibilities and therefore it can’t be allowed to march down the main street of Be’er Sheva. And in Jerusalem, populist mayor Nir Barkat will stay away from today’s Pride Parade so as “not to offend people’s feelings.”

The Jerusalem Day flag parade through that same city seriously offends my feelings every year. It fills me with terrible shame. But the feelings of secular people, liberals or Arabs? There’s no such thing.

read more: http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.732361

It's a good description of most religions except buddhism. As a personal preference, I prefer buddhism, but I'm atheist to the core.

I've responded to him exactly three times in the last year. It ain't me encouraging him.

Palestinian poet at heart of row on Israeli army radio broadcast
Source: Guardian UK

Rightwing fury after Mahmoud Darwish’s words are aired on army radio

He is regarded as one of Palestinian literature’s most important figures, a poet whose work has been translated and read around the globe, including in Hebrew.

Now the work of Mahmoud Darwish, who died in 2008, has been denounced by Israel’s far-right defence minister, Avigdor Lieberman, as equivalent to Hitler’s Mein Kampf in the latest bitter row over freedom of expression in Israel.

The remarks came as Lieberman waded into the controversy over Israel Army Radio’s inclusion of one of Darwish’s poems, ID Card, in an educational segment, infuriating rightwingers.

Lieberman summoned the station’s head, Yaron Dekel, to reprimand him over last week’s broadcast of the poem on the station’s University on the Air programme.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/23/israel-palestine-poetry-mahmoud-darwish

Israel's Culture War Is Getting Ugly
By Daniel Gordis

Measured against a tempestuous U.S. election season and a failed Turkish coup, Israel (for a change) seems quiet and stable. Bolstered by coalition agreements with the religious right, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu seems politically secure. For now, at least, elections are not on the Israeli horizon and the borders are quiet.

Mostly out of international view, however, Israel is in the grips of a renewed battle between an increasingly hard-line, anti-Western and extremist rabbinate, arrayed against Israeli liberal society, the army and even American Jews. The long-simmering battle resurfaced this month when a rabbinic court rejected a woman’s conversion that had been overseen by the widely respected New York Orthodox Rabbi Haskel Lookstein. (Lookstein was the same rabbi who accepted and then declined an invitation to deliver the invocation at the Republican National Convention.)

Despite protests by many moderate personalities, including the long-time Jewish human rights activist Natan Sharansky, the religious courts refused to back down, highlighting their disregard for how foreign Jews and much of Israeli society perceive them.

Then the army announced the nomination of Colonel Eyal Karim for the position of Chief Rabbi of the Israeli Defense Forces. The choice quickly aroused widespread disgust, even among many in the religious community. Karim, it turned out, had referred to homosexuals as “sick.” He said that the reason women cannot give testimony in certain court cases is that they are “sentimental” by inclination. Karim had also intimated that soldiers could legitimately rape women during war and that wounded terrorists should be killed, a subject particularly sensitive in Israel due to the ongoing trial of Sergeant Elor Azaria, who is now being tried for shooting a neutralized terrorist in Hebron.

more...

http://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-07-26/israel-s-culture-war-is-getting-ugly

helpful article there..
I knew there was an array of backlash but not all those details.

Its getting near the breaking point in Israel.

Yes. Its time for Israel to institute another shooting war with the Palistianian rock throwers!

Doesn't it make many wonder why most Americans support Israel's illegal land theft and war?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_law_and_Israeli_settlementsWiki
pedia

Also: http://jfjfp.com/?p=85284

do they? I'm not a data person but there is much going on re that.

"Land for Peace" meant that Israel was supposed to get peace in exchange for giving up land.

The refusal to make peace with Israel means that Israel now gets to keep the land.

If you don't like that, take it up with the people who refused to make peace with Israel.

Secret 1970 Document Confirms First West Bank Settlements Built on a Lie

When it happens and it will, this is a good source of information not filtered by the Israeli army:

https://electronicintifada.net/

I've been following this site since 2003 or so, it leaves most of the emotional stuff in the background and deals with facts and truth.

A third intifada is inevitable.

Reply to self - I've read recently that american jews are fairly heavily against Israel's settlement behavior. Sorry, no link.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/cur_sit/jew2jew.html

Great article. Definitely shows that most of oralloy's "facts" aren't facts at all, but only opinions, each just one opinion among many.
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