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Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

 
 
Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Sun 26 Oct, 2014 11:40 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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How nice to live in a democracy! The only democracy in the Middle East.


there is no democracy! Nowhere!!!! Not in th USA nor nor in Eurozia and so on and so forth



cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2014 12:24 pm
@Quehoniaomath,
I can agree with your statement to a small degree; there's a big difference between the US and Israel. In the US, we are still 'free' to move from state to state without needing to prove who we are. In the Euro countries, they are able to drive from one country through another without border control. In Israel, Palestinian cars must have green plates which limits their movement in Israel.

Can you 'see' the difference? Maybe, not.
Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2014 12:42 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
I can agree with your statement to a small degree; there's a big difference between the US and Israel. In the US, we are still 'free' to move from state to state without needing to prove who we are. In the Euro countries, they are able to drive from one country through another without border control. In Israel, Palestinian cars must have green plates which limits their movement in Israel.

Can you 'see' the difference? Maybe, not.


yes, but that is NOT what I am saying. The U.S in not a democracy because you can not vote any president in office! they are NOT elected!

cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2014 12:55 pm
@Quehoniaomath,
If the president is not elected, how do they earn that office?
Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2014 01:31 pm
@cicerone imposter,
They are S-elected because of their bloodline (dna) Hence, nearly all the presidents are related with the Queen of England.
It is ALL in the family!

and btw USA is NOT a country!

So, free America? my Asssssssssssssss
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2014 01:54 pm
@Quehoniaomath,
It's "freeeeeeeer than most." Your "bloodline" meme is total ignorance. The people choose the president with their votes; it doesn't matter what their "bloodline" is. I guess you don't know that our current president is from Kenya, and is Black. LOL
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revelette2
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2014 02:29 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
I wonder how people can justify that directive? I mean they can't really say it is for the safety of settlers because they are there illegally in the first place.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2014 02:39 pm
@revelette2,
Haaretz indicates that the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) has officially stated it "does not view the presence of Palestinians on West Bank buses as a security threat."
The paper interviewed IDF GOC Central Command Major General Nitzan Alon, who insisted that West Bank Palestinian do not pose a "security threat", as they already "must obtain pre-approval from the Shin Bet security service and Israel Police in order to receive permits. They then undergo body checks at the border crossings."

It seems, it was just and only done to satisfy the "intense pressure from settlers". Haaretz wrote that Samaria Settlers’ Committee and local Jewish authorities "conducted an aggressive campaign" to ban Palestinians. It adds that "settlers have tried on multiple occasions to prevent the Palestinians from commuting on those buses, and have released a video calling for them to be banned". Ya’alon "met with settler leaders" and assured them he would implement the apartheid, Jewish-only policies they desired.
oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2014 03:42 pm
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:
I wonder how people can justify that directive? I mean they can't really say it is for the safety of settlers because they are there illegally in the first place.

Even if the settlers were actually there illegally, that would not prevent people from taking steps to protect them.

However, the settlers are not in any way there illegally.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2014 03:45 pm
@oralloy,
No, they're not there illegal by Israel's standards; only by international ones.

Quote:
UN Panel: Israeli Settlements Are Illegal
AP | By JOHN HEILPRIN
Posted: 01/31/2013 8:18 am EST Updated: 04/02/2013 5:12 am EDT
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2014 03:55 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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Premier: Israel will build in all of Jerusalem
Associated Press By ARON HELLER
1 hour ago
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Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu speaks during the opening session of the Knesset, Israel's parliament, in Jerusalem, Monday, Oct. 27, 2014. Netanyahu told parliament Monday that “the French build in Paris, the English build in London and the Israelis build in Jerusalem.” The government is currently advancing construction plans to build about 1,000 housing units in east Jerusalem. The Palestinians seek east Jerusalem as their future capital and oppose any Israeli construction there. The international community, including the United States, does not recognize Israel's annexation of the eastern sector of Jerusalem.

JERUSALEM (AP) — Israel's prime minister pledged Monday to keep building in east Jerusalem, despite stiff international criticism and recent rising tensions between Jews and Arabs in the city.

Netanyahu to expedite plans for 1,000 new settler homes Reuters
UN chief chastises Netanyahu on settlements Associated Press
Palestinian killed in clash with Israeli military Associated Press
Earlier in the day, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's government said it was advancing construction plans to build about 1,000 housing units in east Jerusalem, the part of the city the Palestinians demand for their future state.

Speaking to parliament, Netanyahu defended the stance saying there was a wide consensus in Israel to continue building throughout the city, just as every Israeli government has done since Israel captured east Jerusalem in 1967.
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revelette2
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2014 07:34 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
It is really quite depressing, isn't it?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2014 03:44 am
Sweden officially recognised the state of Palestine

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Sweden has officially recognised the state of Palestine, Stockholm’s foreign minister said, less than a month after the government announced its intention to make the controversial move.

“Today the government takes the decision to recognise the state of Palestine,” foreign minister Margot Wallstrom said in a statement published in the Dagens Nyheter newspaper on Thursday.

“It is an important step that confirms the Palestinians’ right to self-determination,” she said, adding that “we hope that this will show the way for others”.
Source
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2014 05:43 am
Interesting article in the NY Times today...tangential to the discussion going on here, but related.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/30/world/middleeast/israel-snipes-back-after-us-official-calls-netanyahu-a-coward.html?emc=edit_th_20141030&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=35927693

Here are the first few paragraphs. It is worth a read.



JERUSALEM — What’s the appropriate response to an anonymous slur hurled at an Israeli prime minister by a member of the Obama administration? Why, an anonymous accusation by an Israeli official tossed right back at Washington.

Israeli politicians spent most of Wednesday responding with outrage and concern to an article in The Atlantic quoting a senior American official calling Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu a “coward” — and also using a more colorful but vulgar synonym that starts with “chicken.” Mr. Netanyahu and his allies denounced such a personal attack as inappropriate, while his critics declared it evidence of the dangerous deterioration of the state’s most treasured alliance that Mr. Netanyahu has caused.

Then, in late afternoon, a senior Israeli official offered a new spin. “It appears that someone in the administration is trying to pre-empt Prime Minister Netanyahu’s criticism of an imminent and highly problematic deal with Iran,” said the official, speaking on the condition that he not be named, since that is how this game is played. “It is a transparent attempt to discredit the messenger instead of dealing with the substance of his criticism.”
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2014 12:19 pm
A rift in the making. Good for Sweden; they understand and support equality. They're the first with any guts.
Why does the US and all other countries support this tyrannical government of Israel? WHY?
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JERUSALEM (AP) — Israel has recalled its ambassador to Sweden to protest Stockholm's recognition of a Palestinian state.

Foreign Ministry spokesman Paul Hirschson said Thursday the ambassador was being recalled for consultations, but declined to say how long he would remain in Israel.

Hirschson said the move was made "because of the recognition of the Palestinian state."

Earlier Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman had called it "a miserable decision that strengthens the extremist elements and Palestinian rejectionism."
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2014 08:09 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Sweden officially recognised the state of Palestine

Quote:
Sweden has officially recognised the state of Palestine, Stockholm’s foreign minister said, less than a month after the government announced its intention to make the controversial move.

“Today the government takes the decision to recognise the state of Palestine,” foreign minister Margot Wallstrom said in a statement published in the Dagens Nyheter newspaper on Thursday.

“It is an important step that confirms the Palestinians’ right to self-determination,” she said, adding that “we hope that this will show the way for others”.
Source

Well, it was already legitimate for Israel to declare the Security Fence as their official border and forcibly annex all land west of the Fence.

But this certainly helps to solidify the matter. 1967 borders are a thing of the past now.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 9 Nov, 2014 10:01 am
From Haaretz: Time for American Jews to confront Israel’s demons

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In last week’s election, American Jews stayed steadfastly loyal to their liberal values, yet they turn a blind eye to their steady erosion in Israel.
[... ... ...]
Many U.S. Jews believe that criticizing Israel’s foreign and defense policy or its occupation regime in the territories plays into the hands of Israel’s enemies. Many of them believe, understandably, that on matters of life and death, only those who will pay the price should make the decisions. For the benefit of this sizeable chuck of Jews, here’s the deal: Support Israel’s fight against its external enemies, whoever they deem them to be, but pressure Israel to combat its internal demons as well. Don’t critique the occupation, but fight the metastatic spread of its ethno-supremacist Weltanschauung inside Israel’s body politic. Don’t criticize the settlements, if you don’t want to, but come out swinging against their rapid colonization of politics and public mores inside the Green Line as well. Let the world deal with the rights of Palestinians, if those don’t concern you, but make sure Israelis don’t start losing theirs as well.

“All Jews are responsible for each other,” the Talmud says, not only to bail them out on a rainy day but also to remonstrate and protest when they stray from the proper path. And as one of the sages noted in a well known analogy, the people of Israel are all on the same boat: If they don’t fix a leak in one of the vessel’s compartments, the whole ship will sink. American Jews should step up to the plate before it’s too late, not only as a matter of arevut hadadit – mutual responsibility – but also as a matter of self-preservation. Just as Israel plays an active role in safeguarding the external security of Jewish communities abroad, they must reciprocate by protecting Israel’s democratic soul. If the current evil winds are not curtailed, there will come a time when the precepts of the liberal religion that American Jews practice will command that Israel be viewed as nothing less than an abomination.

American Jews should practice what they preach and demand that Israel be just as democratic, freedom loving and respectful of minority rights as America is, or as they would want it to be. They can no longer turn a deaf ear and a blind eye to Israel’s struggling democracy, nor claim any right to remain silent. And they shouldn’t believe official Israelis who tell them things aren’t all that bad: their only aim is to watch American Jews go back to burying their heads in the sand.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 9 Nov, 2014 10:39 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I was thinking. If that's true of American Jews, would that also apply to others such as the Japanese for Japan. I don't think so.
When the US was attacked by Japan on December 7, 1941, Japanese Americans were also killed at Pearl Harbor.

However, there were first generation Japanese on US soil who rooted for Japan to win the war. Even then, those same parents told their second generation Americans to remain loyal to the US. Most of us know what the Japanese Americans accomplished during WWII.

I think as a culture, we are proud of our heritage. Japanese in the US and in Japan have accomplished much. With the assistance of the US after WWII, Japan became a economic super power. What is amazing is that Japan has almost no raw material of her own, and yet developed an economy that is second to none for its size.

Japanese scientists have won many Nobel prizes, and recently was awarded for developing LED lighting. Their cars are popular all around the world, and win safety and quality awards frequently.

I think there may be some differences about the pros and cons of supporting ones cultural home land.

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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 9 Nov, 2014 12:04 pm
"The fall of the Wall has shown us that dreams can come true," said the German Chancellor Merkel today, 25 years after the Berlin Wall fell. "Nothing has to stay the way it is, however big the hurdles are."
Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Mon 10 Nov, 2014 06:32 am
@Walter Hinteler,
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"The fall of the Wall has shown us that dreams can come true," said the German Chancellor Merkel today, 25 years after the Berlin Wall fell. "Nothing has to stay the way it is, however big the hurdles are."


Quite a LIAR she is! She knows the real reason the Wall felt!
It has NOT to do with any freedom!! au contraire.
 

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