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A can of Coke is the new cigarette.....REALLY??!!

 
 
View Profile OGIONIK
 
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Reply Fri 19 Dec, 2008 10:53 am
shit, from when i was age 16, (when i became ultra depressed about life in general looking at how society runs itself) until i was 19, i would drink a 2 liter of coca cola every nigt, i was upf or 5 days straight playing counterstrike one no drugs but sugar and caffeine...thats horrible

i know thats why i have insomnia now so bad...

i can stay up 3 days no trouble without sugar or caffeine...


i wish i coudlnt tho, insomnia is the worst, especially without drugs.
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View Profile Mame
 
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Reply Fri 19 Dec, 2008 11:40 am
aidan wrote:

Ogionik's right - if you have four kids and need to make four burgers - then it makes sense and is cheaper to buy a pound of mince (or ground beef) and a pack of hamburger rolls. But then if you want mayonaise on your burger - you got to shell out 2 bucks for that - 2 bucks for the ketchup - and on and on for the pickles, onions, cheese (which is EXPENSIVE- unless you buy it in a big block and then you have to have a place to store it or freeze it...- and how many of these women have the intial 10 or 20 bucks to shell out on the huge economy size block of cheese - or the money to run a freezer and/or the space to store food they get cheaper in the huge bulk sizes - I don't even have room to store stuff in bulk -so yeah - when you're looking at that or going to Wendy's and getting 4/ 99 cent burgers that already come with all the ketchup and mayo and pickles, etc...it becomes a no brainer.

These kids ARE being educated about healthy food in school - I know they are - I've done it and I've watched other teachers do it. Children have no power in terms of what is bought and put in the cupboards of their homes. They have to eat what's put in front of them...until they can get a job and make their own money and buy their own food.



What a bunch of hooey.

Once you've got the mustard in your fridge you don't have to buy it again for a while. And 2 lbs of ground beef will go further if you make a spaghetti sauce or a chili with it. Give me a break. It's way cheaper to make your own tomato sauce, casseroles, stews, what-have-you than buying them ready-made. There are all kinds of people feeding their families decent food on a low budget. Nobody HAS to eat out all the time. Like NickFun implied, it was a TREAT, not the norm. In the old days, people used to make their own jams, canned goods, bread, etc. and there's no reason why they can't do that today. They can get recipes off the internet or watch food shows if they don't know how to do it themselves. Money and ignorance are not the reasons why McD does so well... it's because it's convenient and some people are lazy. Yes, some are uninformed about nutrition and others just don't care, but mainly it's because we've become a lazy, impatient society.

And no, not all kids are being educated about food in school. My kids never got any information about nutrition except at home.

You're implying that the great masses of unwashed out there are too ignorant to improve their nutrition by doing some home-cooking? Are you suggesting they'd forgo takeout if they knew how to cook? If someone wants to cook, they'll learn how to, whether or not they got Home Ec in school. Our first year of home ec, we made tea and toast and shit like that. That's not cooking!

I don't believe that obesity is caused by sugar or fast foods. Lots of people who indulge are not fat. It's a combination of factors. It's the whole lifestyle we indulge in today, not just what you ingest. And there's a psychological component to over-eating, too, which has not been addressed.

We blame everything on the government, expecting them to solve our problems, bail us out, legislate an answer. Why don't we accept accountability for own actions?

We are already regulated to death and I don't think we need the government getting more involved in our personal affairs.

Just saying.
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Reply Fri 19 Dec, 2008 01:08 pm
right - but for people who are having money troubles - it's probably easier to come up with 5 bucks for a meal than to come up all that extra money up front - even if you are going to come out ahead in the long run. You know what I mean?
And I also think people should keep in mind that for people who are really living in poverty - they don't have these well-equipped kitchens with all sorts of pots and pans to cook in. Sometimes the electric and gas have been turned off. I've worked with mothers of children who don't even have refrigerators. They used to buy chicken wings from KFC for their toddlers because they didn't have refrigerators to put and keep food in.

So to buy a gallon of milk and a block of cheese sounds fine - but where are they gonna put it? And a box of wal-mart brand macaroni and cheese for 25 cents puts food in their kids bellys more realistically and quickly than to imagine that they're gonna buy some macaroni and butter and milk and a block of cheese and put it all together in a pan and bake it with breadcrumbs on the top.
Most of them don't even know how.
But there are things we could do to change that situation - if only we would give it some priority and believe that it's not simply a matter of choice.
That's just not the reality for alot of children today/they have no choice in the matter.
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View Profile roger
 
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Reply Fri 19 Dec, 2008 01:30 pm
I sure couldn't shop where you shop. Lean ground beef at Sam's goes of 2.99/lb here, and works out to 3 or 4 patties/lb. So, you have to make the patties and freeze most of them, but each is several times the size of the .99 burger at McD.
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Reply Fri 19 Dec, 2008 01:57 pm
I meant $20 for buns, ketchup, etc.

And, if you're buying the $2.99 beef you're not eating any healthier than McD's anyway. Beef that cheap is loaded with fat (at least 20-25%).

I pay $6.99/lb for beef that is 5% fat.
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Reply Fri 19 Dec, 2008 02:27 pm
Buffalo is very low in fat and very tasty. Try it!
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Reply Fri 19 Dec, 2008 05:48 pm
Well, it is certified to be not over 10% fat. You're right, though. If I had to spring for my own analysis each time, it would cost more than McDonalds. Or, maybe we should all have too much social conscience to shop at a Wal-Mart place like Sam's club.
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Reply Fri 19 Dec, 2008 06:00 pm
Those family packs of meat are a great cost-saver. Some people are just too lazy and unimaginative today to figure it out.

Not everyone is destitute to the point where they don't have a refrigerator, as Aidan mentioned. Most people do have the basics and there are other things like coupons, sales, what-have-you.

It's mostly laziness, I think.
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Reply Fri 19 Dec, 2008 06:09 pm
Lazy, yeah. Still, I do like to go out for breakfast. Otherwise, it seems like my day just hasn't begun.
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Reply Fri 19 Dec, 2008 06:24 pm
NickFun wrote:

Buffalo is very low in fat and very tasty. Try it!


oh man that stuff is to die for.
5.99 or more a lb here though
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Reply Fri 19 Dec, 2008 07:28 pm
shewolfnm wrote:

NickFun wrote:

Buffalo is very low in fat and very tasty. Try it!


oh man that stuff is to die for.
5.99 or more a lb here though


This spring (winter, really) in that snow camp, I had to cook elk, buffalo and moose meat sausages every damn morning for those guys. I was SICK of it!
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Reply Fri 19 Dec, 2008 08:23 pm
Reading the title of this thread made me think of this...

Quote:
Last night was so good.... even the neighbors drank a can of coke afterwards.

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