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where does the saying originate

 
 
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Reply Sun 7 Dec, 2008 04:18 am
why do americans call a cup of coffee a cup of joe?
 
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Reply Sun 7 Dec, 2008 05:10 am
Possibly a substitution for "cup of Java" another expression coming from a coffee source.
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Reply Sun 7 Dec, 2008 09:42 am
i always thought of "java" as being a cup of tea
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Reply Sun 7 Dec, 2008 09:47 am
No, around these parts Java is always coffee. I think the shift from Java to 'joe' is correct.
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Reply Sun 7 Dec, 2008 02:09 pm

Cup of Joe

Josephus Daniels (18 May 1862-15 January 1948) was appointed Secretary of the Navy by President Woodrow Wilson in 1913. Among his reforms of the Navy were inaugurating the practice of making 100 Sailors from the Fleet eligible for entrance into the Naval Academy, the introduction of women into the service, and the abolishment of the officers' wine mess. From that time on, the strongest drink aboard Navy ships could only be coffee and over the years, a cup of coffee became known as "a cup of Joe".

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Reply Sun 7 Dec, 2008 02:44 pm
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cup_of_joe

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The phrase "cup of Joe" goes back to the mid-1840s. Despite the folk etymology that the phrase derives from Josephus Daniels, the Secretary of the Navy who banned the serving of alcohol on ships in 1914, the phrase is known to predate his service.
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Reply Sun 7 Dec, 2008 03:03 pm


Oh yes.

As zomebody once zaid, data is not the plural of anecdote.

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Reply Sun 7 Dec, 2008 03:45 pm
Cheer up, Mac. It's possible, you know, that although the phrase 'cup of joe' had been around for quite a while, Jesephus Daniels' edict helped to popularize it, while its putative antecedent 'cuppa Java' fell into relative disuse. 2 Cents
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