I've just been reacting to that thread. Wrote a kind of soliloquy reply, didn't post it. But, harrumph.
Meantime I'm pretty close to a pacifist philosophically but fail to be Ms. Calma in real life. I'm not against every war ever, but approach that. That's a gripe of mine with Obama, whom I've voted for, am actually for
given consideration of alternatives but also because I like his mind.
But, really, my aesthetic self is also interested in Passiflora vines (aka passion vines)... perhaps a Passavista.