So turns out fucking hookers is emotionally unfulfilling.

Surely you can see that personality traits are functions of Christianity as are ideas of fair play. The run-of-the-mill atheist is not aware of the power of the residue of Christianity, which he cunningly takes advantage of, whilst he argues for it to disappear.

He daren't describe the atheist world he is arguing for in which the survival of the fittest is a shibboleth. He simply ponces about with half-baked nostrums hoping his audience is stupid. His ethics should be based on scientific facts and not on any moralities. In such an ethic the female chooses every sex partner on unconsidered biological receptivity. And most atheists wouldn't get a sniff. Real feminism. Look what Shakespeare has Venus do to Adonis when he refuses her. Look up the rules of the Courts of Love from the Camelot era. Your young lad wouldn't have been deciding who he had sex with in those pre- Chtistian worlds. He would need to win a joust and be able to charm.

The chief spokesman for atheism is on his third wife. Darwin himself seems to have favoured producing as many members of the kept classes as his poor wife could manage without any reference to whether the keeping classes could keep up with him. He had to. How could he artificially limit his family? That would be against his theories.

you get what you pay for

Anyone who claims that religion is the basis for their morals - is lying. I can present examples later if required, but if people are "good", then it's despite religion, not because of it.

Yes--that's true. But there are few "good" people. Especially in tough times which is what they mostly were.

Being "good" is something of an affectation indulged in by the comfortably off. Might even represent fear of the law in denial.

And we haven't defined "good" yet. If everybody was "good" in the sense you presumably mean do you seriously think things would continue in the manner we have become accustomed to. How would you see a youthful "good" Rupert Murdoch say. Doing unto others as he would have them do unto him.

A successful politician needs must stamp on necks.

I'm just generalising, in relation to everyday behaviour. If someone claims that they are a moral person because of their religion, then what if they woke up one morning and someone had proven beyond doubt that god does not exist. Does that mean that they would start stealing, raping and killing, because they no longer had any fear of being punished in the afterlife? And if not, if their behaviour would not change in any significant way, then obviously it's not religion that supported their morals.

BTW, I found her reasonably fulfilling.

She has that look in her eyes which suggests she had you worked out Wilso.

Could she cook?

Bullshit, western religion especially has a strong moral bent to it. However, religiously moral people can find a way to have sex with many people, or be kinky, within their morality. The church does not approve, but once an individual comes to the conclusion that western religions are immature about sex, or maybe even sexually repressed, the church opinions on sexual practice no longer rule the day. Individuals apply the general religious morals to sex on their own, discarding the church teachings on sex entirely, and end up far from where the church leaders say that they should.

Wilso said:


No, I don't go for that either...and I think it's harsh to say that because someone may believe they adopted their morals because they learned them in church is 'lying'. Maybe they truly believe that..maybe they're misinformed and/or mistaken - but I'd hardly call them liars.

And I wouldn't even assert that they're mistaken or misinformed. Some people DO learn ethical and moral behavior in church because they don't have the opportunity to learn it anywhere else. If you are raised in a family or by a mother or father who espouses and engages in less than moral behavior - sometimes a person DOES have to venture outside the home to learn morals. And a lot of times the church provides moral guidance.

And I don't want to get into everything the church does wrong - I already know that. I just don't think you can say that some churches never do anything right.

And I totally disagree that if someone is good it's DESPITE the church and not because of it. What is 'THE CHURCH' anyway? I know what my church is - and it's an entity unto itself. It's not part of some giant behemoth institution that links all creeds and believers together.

That's like saying 'THE SCHOOL' or 'THE HOSPITAL' or 'THE whatever other social or cultural entity one participates in', as if they're all the same with the same weaknesses or strengths when the fact of the matter is that they're all different.
I think people who don't believe or who don't attend church or who have attended church and have had a bad experience tend to paint all religion with a negative and broad brush. There are some very good churches that are doing really good work. And there are a lot of young people who are finding positive social networks and outlets which wouldn't be available to them anywhere else. Not every church preaches condemnation and brimstone and judgment and brainwashing of innocents. There are some churches that just provide a place for a kid to feel a part of something. And a lot of kids need that.

Wilso - is that your wife? If so - I think you should say that. Someone reading this thread might think she's someone or something else (as per the title of this thread - which I know you'd hate for them to assume).
Are we supposed to assume she's emotionally fulfilling to you because she's pretty? If so, that kind of busts Spendius' theory about pretty women ...but I guess maybe he thinks if she can cook - that'd be a redeeming trait.

But I bet she's emotionally fulfilling to you because you love her - and would even if she weren't pretty and couldn't cook.
Wow--imagine that...

No. That was before I met my wife.
I wouldn't post a picture of that nature of my wife.

This is my wife

I trust you don't show your wife the other photo Wilso.

You would get whacked with a vase if you did that here.

No!!!