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Reply Sat 1 Nov, 2008 01:48 am
We just have received the goods ordered.
We have just received the goods ordered.

Which is the correct sentence?

Many thanks.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 1 Nov, 2008 03:55 am
@tanguatlay,
tanguatlay wrote:

We just have received the goods ordered.
We have just received the goods ordered.

Which is the correct sentence?

Many thanks.


Both are correct.

"Just received" is slightly different in meaning, as it implies that the goods arrived a very short time before writing.
contrex
 
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Reply Sat 1 Nov, 2008 04:16 am
@dlowan,
They are not both correct. If you wish to use 'just' to convey that something happened in the immediate past, you are inserting that word into the present perfect.

I have received the goods. (At some unspecified time in the past)

I have just received the goods. (Very recently.)

The word "just" always comes after the word "have".

You can insert other words such as recently, never, probably, always, etc to modify the phrase, but they always come after the "have"

I have never seen a penguin.

I have probably failed my examinations.

I have always told the truth

I have recently bought a car.

I have usually received the goods the day after I ordered them.

"I just have received the goods" is non standard. Is it the sort of error that non-native-speaking learners make.

If you wish to convey the idea of a shortfall you might say

"I asked for ten bottles but just got eight".


dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 1 Nov, 2008 04:21 am
@contrex,
Oops...didn't see the word "just" in the first sentence....

I read it as:

"We have received the goods."

Contrex is correct.
McTag
 
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Reply Sat 1 Nov, 2008 04:27 am
@dlowan,

Contrex is correct, more or less, but his answer contains an error.

At least for me, the pedant Smile
dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 1 Nov, 2008 04:51 am
@McTag,
McTag wrote:


Contrex is correct, more or less, but his answer contains an error.

At least for me, the pedant Smile


Let us not disappear, warring , up our own bums!

Wink
contrex
 
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Reply Sat 1 Nov, 2008 06:47 am
@dlowan,
Well, I think maybe this sentence contains a technical error

I have usually received the goods the day after I ordered them.

And really should be

I have usually received the goods the day after I have ordered them.

But most native speakers (at least where I come from) would not insert the second "have".

Is that the alleged error? (There may be more than one, of course.)


McTag
 
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Reply Sat 1 Nov, 2008 11:17 am
@contrex,

If you consider the sentence

"I asked for ten bottles but just got eight"

most people would say it like that, but I believe to be absolutely correct it should be

"I asked for ten bottles but got just eight."
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 1 Nov, 2008 11:36 am
@contrex,
Quote:
They are not both correct. ... The word "just" always comes after the word "have".


They are both correct / They both are correct.

The normal neutral placement is between 'have' and the lexical verb but there is some freedom for placing 'just' elsewhere.

Quote:
You can insert other words such as recently, never, probably, always, etc to modify the phrase, but they always come after the "have"

I have never seen a penguin.

I have probably failed my examinations.

I have always told the truth

I have recently bought a car.

I have usually received the goods the day after I ordered them.

"I just have received the goods" is non standard. Is it the sort of error that non-native-speaking learners make.

If you wish to convey the idea of a shortfall you might say

"I asked for ten bottles but just got eight".


Again, the above represent the normal neutral placement. But,

I never have seen a penguin.
I have seen a penguin never.
Never have I seen a penguin.

Probably, I have failed my examinations.
I probably have failed my examinations.
I have failed my examinations, probably.

I always have told the truth.
Always, I have told the truth.
I have told the truth, always.

I recently have bought a car.
Recently, I have bought a car.
I have bought a car recently.

contrex
 
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Reply Sat 1 Nov, 2008 12:46 pm
@JTT,
You're just arguing the toss, JTT.

I never have seen a penguin. - agreed, maybe, with emphasis on "have", sometimes heard in conversation, e.g. after "He alleged I had, but I never have seen a penguin"

I have seen a penguin never. - Are you Cherman? (From Chermany)

Never have I seen a penguin. - I am an 18th century poet.
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 1 Nov, 2008 06:55 pm
@contrex,
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You're just arguing the toss, JTT.


I'm not familiar with that idiom, Contrex. I'm just describing how English works.

Quote:
I never have seen a penguin. - agreed, maybe, with emphasis on "have", sometimes heard in conversation, e.g. after "He alleged I had, but I never have seen a penguin"

I have seen a penguin never. - Are you Cherman? (From Chermany)

Never have I seen a penguin. - I am an 18th century poet.


All are possible. They're just not the normal neutral.
McTag
 
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Reply Sun 2 Nov, 2008 05:05 am
@JTT,

Neutral schmeutral.

We're trying to be helpful to a foreigner here.
contrex
 
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Reply Sun 2 Nov, 2008 09:29 am
@McTag,
JTT just likes being prolix and verbosely answering questions that have not been answered.

"Arguing the toss" means disputing something out of sheer love of having the last word.
McTag
 
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Reply Sun 2 Nov, 2008 11:57 am
@contrex,

Mind you, I like doing that myself to be fair, answering questions that have not been asked.

Always amusingly and entertainingly, of course.
contrex
 
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Reply Sun 2 Nov, 2008 01:04 pm
@McTag,
McTag wrote:
answering questions that have not been asked.


1,517 people died when the Titanic sank.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 2 Nov, 2008 01:53 pm
An unjust thread.
contrex
 
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Reply Sun 2 Nov, 2008 04:28 pm
@Setanta,
I just noticed that I wrote this

Quote:
answering questions that have not been answered.


I meant this

answering questions that have not been asked.
McTag
 
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Reply Sun 2 Nov, 2008 04:30 pm
@contrex,

Yes, we know you did. Don't worry about it.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 2 Nov, 2008 05:08 pm
@McTag,
It isn't helpful to anyone, certainly not an ESL, McTag, to tell them things about language that aren't true.
McTag
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2008 02:51 am
@JTT,

Hey I've just got myself into the local literacy teaching volunteer scheme.

Where I won't be filling their heads with silly-billy nonsense.

Smile
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