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Checks on 'Joe' more extensive than first acknowledged

 
 
Woiyo9
 
Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2008 06:07 am
I thought it was the Republicans who were the "Party to violate Your Privacy".

Well apparently, the hypocrites on the Left are the ones who will violate your privacy if you ask a question.

"A state agency has revealed that its checks of computer systems for potential information on "Joe the Plumber" were more extensive than it first acknowledged.

Helen Jones-Kelley, director of the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services, disclosed today that computer inquiries on Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher were not restricted to a child-support system.

The agency also checked Wurzelbacher in its computer systems to determine whether he was receiving welfare assistance or owed unemployment compensation taxes, she wrote.

Jones-Kelley made the revelations in a letter to Ohio Senate President Bill M. Harris, R-Ashland, who demanded answers on why state officials checked out Wurzelbacher.

Harris called the multiple records checks "questionable" and said he awaits more answers. "It's kind of like Big Brother is looking in your pocket," he said.

If state employees run checks on every person listed in newspaper stories as buying a business, "it must take a lot of people a lot of time to run these checks," he said. "Where do you draw the line?"

The checks were run after the news media reported that Wurzelbacher was considering buying a plumbing business with more than $250,000 in annual income, Jones-Kelley wrote.

"Given our understanding that Mr. Wurzelbacher had publicly indicated that he had the means to purchase a substantial business enterprise, ODJFS, consistent with past departmental practice, checked confidential databases ," she wrote. (What a load of crap)

"Not surprisingly, when a person behind in child support payments or receiving public assistance is receiving significant media attention which suggests that the person appears to have available financial resources, the Department risks justifiable criticism if it fails to take note and respond," Jones-Kelley wrote. LIE

The results of the searches were not publicly released and remain confidential, she wrote. Wurzelbacher has said he is not involved in a child-support case and has not purchased any business.

Jones-Kelley wrote that the checks were "well-meaning," but misinterpreted amid the heated final weeks of a presidential election.

Wurzelbacher became a household name when Republican presidential hopeful John McCain frequently referred to "Joe the Plumber" during his Oct. 15 debate with Democrat nominee Barack Obama. The checks began the next day.

Wurzelbacher, who has endorsed and campaigned for McCain, had been caught on videotape challenging Obama about his tax proposals during a campaign visit to "Joe's" neighborhood in the Toledo suburb of Holland.

Republicans have painted the checks on Wurzelbacher as a politically motivated bid by Democrats to dig up dirt and discredit the McCain ally. The Obama campaign has said it has no ties to the checks and supports investigations.

The administration of Democratic Gov. Ted Strickland has said the information was not improperly shared and that there were no political motives behind the checks.

The Dispatch has uncovered four uses of state computer systems to access personal information on Wurzelbacher, including the child-support check authorized by Jones-Kelley.

She said on Monday that her department frequently runs checks for any unpaid child support obligations "when someone is thrust quickly into the public spotlight."

Republican legislators have challenged Jones-Kelley's reason for checking on Wurzelbacher as "frightening" and flimsy.

Jones-Kelly also has denied any connections between the computer checks on Wurzelbacher and her support for Obama. She donated the maximum $2,500 this year to the Obama campaign.

Ohio Inspector General Thomas P. Charles is investigating whether the child-support check on Wurzelbacher was legal."

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/10/29/joe30.html?sid=101
 
parados
 
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Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2008 06:55 am
@Woiyo9,
Let us know when anyone decides it was illegal and someone is charged with a crime.
Woiyo9
 
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Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2008 06:58 am
@parados,
You hypocrisy is showing as usual!
parados
 
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Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2008 07:11 am
@Woiyo9,
Oh? what hypocrisy?

It is standard procedure for states to check their rolls for owed taxes and child support when someone is conducting a transaction that needs state approval.
engineer
 
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Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2008 07:43 am
@parados,
If this is the case, the state should be able to show that they've do hundreds of checks per week. To some extent, Joe is now a public figure subject to scrutiny, but privacy laws should still apply. If Joe actually applied to buy a business, that's one thing, but he never did that.
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Woiyo9
 
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Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2008 07:59 am
@parados,
LOL. If Joe the Plumber never asked Obama "that question" that got on Youtube and his 15 minutes of Fame started, these checks would not have occured since he has NOT yet applied for a business license and according to Joe, he has no child support issues.

You really need to open your mind and be just a tad objective.
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2008 08:09 am
@Woiyo9,
You are correct that had any one of the dozens and dozens of average citizens used as an examples or quoted or showed in ads by Democrats been investigated (and slimed) even slightly by the Republicans, let alone to the extent that the Democrats have done to Joe the Plumber, the Democrats would have been howling to high heaven. It is despicable and criminal and any American who calls himself or herself a patriot knows it. How many times have we heard the Democrats describe patriotism as speaking out when something is wrong? Sure doesn't seem to be the thing to do if it questions their messiah though. Hypocrisy is indeed alive and well.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2008 10:35 am
@Woiyo9,
How was this done by "the Democrats" again? You don't even know who did the other three checks yet.
Woiyo9
 
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Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2008 12:04 pm
@FreeDuck,
Jones-Kelly also has denied any connections between the computer checks on Wurzelbacher and her support for Obama. She donated the maximum $2,500 this year to the Obama campaign.
FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2008 12:10 pm
@Woiyo9,
So? That makes one Democrat not Democrats plural. Not to mention that Jones-Kelly was authorized to do that check and you don't present any evidence that she used that information for political purposes. Again, that was one check. You don't even know who did the others. Because this person has donated to Obama does not make her acting on the behalf of the Democratic party. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't want every questionable act that happened to be committed by a person who is a Republican to be construed of representative of Republicans in general, right?

What has Obama's campaign or the DNC specifically said or done re: Joe that is a violation of his privacy.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2008 12:18 pm
Pew Research and others have consistently determined that a large majority of those in the mainstream media are registered Democrats or report being left of center. I doubt there are many Republicans who are contributing heavily to the Obama campaign or who are putting out the stuff smearing Palin and/or Joe the Plumber or put down any who speak favorably on their behalf. The person denies culpabilityfor doing an illegal investigation from a government office? Imagine that. Somebody denying they committed a crime. Well somebody in that office committed one. All the talking heads on TV criticizing what Joe the Plumber has said have been Democrat analysts, commentators, or members of Obama's campaign, and not one has criticized the media treatment of Joe the Plumber or condemned that investigation.

Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2008 12:20 pm
@Foxfyre,
There wouldn't be any media treatment of him if McCain didn't decide to make him the poster boy for America's idiot vote.

And, you really have no room to talk about this, Fox; not you personally, but the right-wing. Two words for ya: Graeme Frost.

Cycloptichorn
Thomas
 
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Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2008 12:20 pm
@Woiyo9,
Joe "the Plumber" Wurzelbacher had fallen behind on his child obligations, and has failed to pay his taxes. Then he announced, in public, that he had the money to buy a business. And not just a tiny business -- he claimed he was about to buy a business large enough to merit a tax increase under the Obama plan.

Of course the state had probable cause to investigate if Mr. Wurzelbacher was dodging his legal obligations as a father and a taxpayer. It would have been irresponsible of them not to investigate it!
FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2008 12:22 pm
@Foxfyre,
What exactly are the smears that Joe has been the victim of?
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Woiyo9
 
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Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2008 12:27 pm
@Thomas,
From what I read, he never filed any papers for incorporation and has not yet even entered into negotiations to buy anything.

What right did the State worker have in looking into any of his records?

Nobody knew of him or his "so called" child support issues before someone posted his "conversation" on YouTube.

Based upon your support of this State Worker, who is a hard core Obama supporter, than anyone having a conversation with Obama should expect to be investigated?

Woiyo9
 
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Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2008 12:28 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Irrelevant how McCain is using him.

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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2008 12:28 pm
@Woiyo9,
It was a "computer inquiry" not an investigation. And yes, I imagine government workers have the right and do check my name against all kinds of databases whenever they want to.
Woiyo9
 
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Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2008 12:33 pm
@FreeDuck,
Which was released to the press. Don't forget that!!!
FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2008 12:37 pm
@Woiyo9,
Fair enough.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2008 01:18 pm
@Thomas,
There is no evidence that Joe was doging his legal obligations as a father. He describes his divorce from his wife a number of years ago as amicable and that it remains so and he has custody of his son. They did turn up a tax lien of less than $2000, but since there have been few, if any, particulars about that it's a safe bet that it is much to do about nothing. What difference does it make how much money he makes? He didn't claim an amount. He only stated that he was thinking about buying a small business and asked about Obama's tax implications regarding that. It was a fair question and it did not deserve what Joe describes as the proctology exam that it has triggered.

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My syndicated column today reports on Team Obama and the Obamedia’s mission to tear down Joe the Plumber. Yes, we are in the midst of a new contagion: Joe The Plumber Derangement Syndrome. JTPDS.

Now, pay close attention to how the MSM rushes to uncover every last bit of gossip and dirt about Joe Wurzelbacher’s life. Some of it is relevant to the public policy questions he posed to Obama. Much of it is not. Danny Glover notes the behemoth double standards of the media mavens who call it journalism when they investigate, but consider it “stalking” when those of us on the Right perform the same tasks on Democrat poster families:

“The impulse to learn more about Wurzelbacher is perfectly normal. Readers and viewers are no doubt want to know more about the man now that he is all over the news. I know I do. And speaking as a journalist, let me add that reporters should be curious enough to do some basic background research.

But why is it that political reporters only get curious when a conservative Joe America storms onto the scene? Why aren’t they just as curious when liberals trot out, say, a 12-year-old boy to give a national radio address?

It has been almost a year to the day since journalists dropped the ball on telling America more about Graeme Frost, the boy who made the case for sinking billions of dollars more into the State Children’s Health Insurance Program. But when Michelle Malkin and other curious conservative bloggers did the legwork the press wouldn’t, they earned the scorn of their mainstream colleagues.

This time around, with Joe The Plumber as their target, the MSM is coming out with guns blazing. Maybe they should spend more time telling the bigger story about Wurzelbacher " that he managed to get Obama on the public record as favoring a socialistic redistribution of wealth.
As I note below, there’s also a feeding frenzy over Wurzelbacher’s tax lien. Patterico wonders where the media hounds are on the story of Obama’s treasurer’s tax liens. Bet you hadn’t heard about that. Bet you never will again.

Here’s the NYTimes’ latest on Joe vs. Team Obama. Count how many sentences are devoted to Obama’s wealth redistribution remarks and how long it takes before they mention them.

No, they don’t get it.

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The Left declares war on Joe the Plumber
by Michelle Malkin
Creators Syndicate
Copyright 2008

Six-term Sen. Joe Biden’s got some nerve going after citizen Joe the Plumber. But the entrenched politician from Delaware, who fancies himself the nation’s number one Ordinary Joe, had no choice. Obama-Biden simply can’t tolerate an outspoken citizen successfully painting the Democratic ticket as socialist overlords. And so a dirty, desperate war against Joe Wurzelbacher is on.

The Left’s political plumbers are attacking the messenger, rummaging through his personal life, and predictably wielding the race card once again. It’s standard operating procedure for the Obama thug machine.

Wurzelbacher, in case you’ve been in hibernation, is the small businessman from Ohio who questioned Obama this weekend about his tax plan during a Toledo campaign swing. The revealing exchange was caught on tape and broadcast widely across the Internet and TV airwaves. In response to Joe’s question about why he should be “taxed more and more for fulfilling the American dream,” Obama sermonized that Wurzelbacher needed to “spread the wealth around” because “it’s good for everybody.”

John McCain flung that chilling Marxist mantra back in Obama’s face during Wednesday night’s presidential debate and repeatedly cited Joe the Plumber’s plight. Obama squirmed. The dirt-diggers started Googling. And the next morning, six-term Sen. Biden launched the first salvo against the Ohio entrepreneur on NBC’s Today Show, challenging the veracity of his story: “I don’t have any ‘Joe the Plumbers’ in my neighborhood that make $250,000 a year.”

Under an Obama-Biden administration, they’ll make sure no Joe The Plumbers ever earn such a salary. “It’s good for everybody,” don’t you know?

Biden, as is so often the case, twisted the facts about Wurzelbacher. No surprise there. Slick Joe is the one who tells fables about visiting a diner in Delaware that hasn’t been open in years; spins yarns about getting “forced down” in a helicopter over Afghanistan because of perilous conditions that turned out to be weather-related, not al Qaeda-related; and continues to slander the family of the man involved in his wife and daughter’s fatal car accident (crash investigators cleared the now-deceased driver of drunk-driving, despite Biden’s insinuations). But I digress.

Wurzelbacher never claimed to be making $250,000 a year. He told Obama that he might be “getting ready to buy a company that makes about $250,000, $270,000″ a year. His simple point was that Obama’s punitive tax proposals would make it more difficult to realize his dream.

Obama’s followers couldn’t handle the incontrovertible truth. Left-wing blogs immediately went to work, blaring headlines like “Not A Real $250k Plumber!” Next, they falsely accused Wurzelbacher of not being registered to vote (he’s registered in Lucas County, Ohio, and voted as a Republican in this year’s primary).

Next, they called him a liar for identifying himself as undecided. Only registered Democrats and fake Republican tools used in mainstream media stories and YouTube debates are allowed to use that label, you see.

Next, award-winning liberal blogger Joshua Marshall cast Wurzelbacher as some kind of rabid freak for calling Social Security a “joke” " as if no working-class Americans could believe that the federal government’s entitlement programs were a rip-off unless they were bought and paid for by the McCain campaign.

Then, suddenly, the journalists who wouldn’t lift a finger to investigate Barack Obama’s longtime relationships with Weather Underground terrorist Bill Ayers and Jeremiah Wright sprang into action rifling through citizen Joe Wurzelbacher’s tax records. Politico.com reported breathlessly: “Samuel J. Wurzelbacher has a lien placed against him to the tune of $1,182.92. The lien is dated from January of ‘07.” Press outlets probed his divorce records. The local plumbers’ union, which has endorsed Obama, claimed he didn’t do their required apprenticeship work and didn’t have a license to work outside his local township.

Hang him!

After Wurzelbacher told Katie Couric that Obama’s rhetorical tap dance was “almost as good as Sammy Davis, Jr.,” the inevitable cries of “bigotry” followed. (There are now tens of thousands of hits on the Internet for “Joe the Plumber racist.”)

Welcome to Joe the Plumber Derangement Syndrome. If you can’t beat him, smear him. It’s the Obama way.
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/17/operation-destroy-joe-the-plumber/
 

 
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