So.....I voted for Obama...

Roosevelt, however, expected social security to be a tiny little program and promised that it would never require more than 1% of anybody's wages and it would be used exclusively as an old age pension. Had he even remotely envisioned the large scale, expensive, budget busting, mega socialist program that it has become, I am confident that he never would have initiated it.

The works programs were actually a conservative concept--let people keep their dignity and contribute to the public welfare by paying them wages to do public works projects--the results of a lot of those are still evident today. He saw that policy as far preferable to just giving handouts that would just allow people to subsist while it eroded their self esteem. Also those public works projects, plus the government/private sector cooperative soup lines, etc. were all seen as purely a temporary stopgap measure and were never intended to become permanent government programs. Roosevelt was far more Conservative than most politicians in Washington these days.

Further not all the poor approved of Roosevelts policies nor did all the rich oppose them. Strict Constitutionalist thought he did too much; the new Left thought he did too little. Not all Democrats loved Roosevelt nor did all Republicans hate him. Roosevelt did inspire a new ideological division but it consisted more of those who loved Roosevelt versus those who hated him rather than being identifiable along strict party lines.

Thank you Maporsche!!

Cycloptichorn

Don't thank me yet....I'm prepared to be the most critical Obama voter possible.

Thank you for that, too. There's no profit in electing Obama, but then not making sure that he follows his promises to the best of his ability to do so.

Cycloptichorn

As a matter of fact, Clinton was more moderate than far left.

Clinton was republican lite. Thats the reason they hate him so. He stole thier thunder.

Nonsense.
Thay hated him for being too far LEFT,
not for being too far right.

As you should be. I've been traveling and missed this thread. Congratulations on making a tough choice and following through. Many abdicate that responsibility every year. You seem to be the type of person we are all talking about, the truly conflicted voter. What finally did it for you? What were all the pros and cons you weighed? Obviously 2nd amendment concerns, but I'm sure there were many more. Would you share them?

Does this mean you'll complain when he doesn't take your guns away?

Daughter K and I just got back from the early voting place. The line was out the door and across the front of the building. It took us an hour to get inside/checked in and two minutes to vote.

Two more Obama votes from IL. Go figure.

I'm not sure what finally made me pull the trigger for Obama. I filled that balloon last on the ballot. I voted for every republican in Illinois that was up for vote, and I voted to kick all of the judges out of office, and then when I got to McCain/Obama....I just filled in Obama.

Seriously, if I voted today it might have been for McCain.

I'm just very pissed at the fiscal policies of the republicans over the Bush term. I don't trust any of them to fix what we are in now.

I'm not very confident in Obama either. I trust Obama 51% to fix the economy, McCain 49%.

I'm not kidding though, if he does anything towards 2nd Amendment rights I'll never vote Republican again. Our government is so fucked up right now that my ability to defend myself from the government is my #1 priority.

I'll give them man credit where credit is due. If he doesn't come after my 2A rights I'll give him credit for it.

Well, expect me to be critical of him following his promises too. I don't agree with all of them, and I hope he fails or changes his mind in a few areas.

I don't think he was far left. I liked him (and Hillary) because they were moderates.

I'm glad it's over with, how about you.

Now I can just sit back and complain, knowing that everything is now out of my control.

him touch your rights? have you not been awake the past 40 or so years?

I'm not sure what you're saying.

odd... i had nearly the exact experience from the republiCON side.

So far, u have been right, GW, tho I 've been concerned
qua his anti-gun personnel appointments; but that had to be expected.
I expected worse and faster. Obviously, he is obsessed with
issues of more immediate concern to him.

When I was a child, in the single digits,
I loved getting guns for Christmas,
including even the toy ones;
e.g., (imitation) Thompson Submachineguns
that shot sparks out the muzzle.

What does "mecha-Rudolph" mean ?



David