Thanks Dutchy. I no longer have the easier method, as my computer was wiped and is now re-instated. My "records" have been long gone. If you go to the lovatts-endorsed site ("Y P".com - I'm sure you know what I am talking about) and you will see my username is the same as my breed of dog, but spelt with double n at the end. Perhaps you could email me there with that info again? Unless you still have my normal email? Not sure if you have the newer one though. Either way, hope you can help me out. Thanks again, Dogz