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Reply Fri 2 Oct, 2009 10:00 pm
But whose trappings, hymnology, ritual, routine, disciplines, expectations, doctrine, and dogma shall be deemed the right ones, though Spendi? Is the church who foregoes written prayers or instrumental music or who doesn't include the Eucharist or Holy Communion in the service every Sunday less spiritual or less Christian than the next church that does? Does Jesus care if those partaking of ritual elements view them as consubstantiation, transubtantiation, or a spiritual memorial exercise? Would you dare say that the penitance of the man in his living room is less sincere than that of the man on his knees before the altar?

FranklyI think people in Europe became weary of the rituals and trappings that they did not see as significantly changing their lives. Perhaps that is why so many of the great churches and cathedrals stand mostly empty filled mostly with faint echoes of past generations. Replacing a relatiionship with the living Christ with rituals and disciplines left too many feeling that it was all pointless.

Of course the rituals are significant to many still, and I have felt the presence of God performing them in the Church of course. I regularly attend church, participate in the rituals (though I chose a church that has a minimum of those), I teach, occasionally preach, and volunteer where I can be useful. Some of this I believe is in obedience to and pleases God.

But I do not confuse the church and its rituals and its activities with my relationship with God. I think each person has to meet God one on one--there is no such thing as 'inherited faith'. And so long as we meet Him on His terms, I think He doesn't much care how we got there.

I do think that those who attempt to practice Christianity apart from the Church, i.e. the company and support and encouragement of other Christians, has a much tougher go of it.
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Reply Sat 3 Oct, 2009 01:15 am
Why does it usually have to come down to a debate that someone is going to force an opinion on you. Answering the original question is more fun. I go thru the threads to find answers to the original question so please excuse me for stating an opinion, take it or leave it but stick to the topic....
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Reply Sat 3 Oct, 2009 05:31 pm
I don't think that's a satisfactory answer Foxy. It is self affirming and as such lacks religious humility.

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Would you dare say that the penitance of the man in his living room is less sincere than that of the man on his knees before the altar?


I certainly would.
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Reply Wed 7 Oct, 2009 12:46 am
miller, it means to connect with the harmony {that was once} in nature but still exists in the unlimited universe. Everything in the universe, all the elements that exist are in you too. It means to live peacefully with life events and accept that the spirit that you have will continue. Also to not just listen with your ears but to experience what you hear with your heart.
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