So....Will Biden Be VP?

Yes, Occom Bill, the great intellectual giant, only a moron would disagree with you, just ask you. I think alot of your trash talk has alot to do with you, sadly for you, Bill.

George, as I told Bill, I think people are looking for a good minority to vote for, for a variety of reasons, one being to shut people up that think like Bill. Also, Obama has enjoyed a lead in the polls for quite some time. If he loses the race now, I don't think it will be because of race. I think alot of the same people that voted against Gore and Kerry will again vote against Obama, not because of race, but because of political platform.

Frankly, one can find people that vote for or against somebody because of race, sure, but to set up this election as a referendum on race, so that if Obama loses it will be blamed on bigotry and racism, as Bill seems to have bought into, I find repugnant, and frankly I am tired of hearing it, and I think most people are. And the reason I am on Bill's case is because he has accused me of racism or bigotry, and yes, I therefore he has no credibility as far as I am concerned. Unfortunately, there are too many people that think like he does.

You're a bright guy, George. Surely it can't be difficult for you to understand that racism need not inflict more than a small percentage of the electorate to affect the outcome in even a somewhat tight race, which this could well turn out to be (you’ve essentially already conceded as much). Surely you recognize that although there may be many significant contributing factors in a candidate's loss; the absence of any one of them could alter the outcome. If this is true (and it is), and you can recognize these simple truths (and you can); how can you continue to pretend fears of racism are necessarily irrational accusations against the whole of Obama's opposition? This is a pathetic straw man, George, and you should damn well have the integrity to admit it.

I think it's fair to say that a certain percentage of racists are going to be voting against Obama, that's a real concern this cycle.

But I don't think, if he loses, that the racists will be the reason. That's like, at a baskteball game, blaming a loss on the player who misses a shot in the last 20 seconds which would have won; no one individual factor is responsible for victories or losses in things like this, and Obama can over-come the small latent racism effect if he runs a strong campaign.

Cycloptichorn

It is instead the irrational (in my view) accusations you made in earlier posts regarding the likely cause of an Obama defeat, should it occur.

okie wrote:

Yes, Occom Bill, the great intellectual giant, only a moron would disagree with you, just ask you. I think alot of your trash talk has alot to do with you, sadly for you, Bill.

Repeating this tripe won't make it true. One need only consider that I made no such accusations toward the other two conservatives I've been arguing with on this very thread.

I think it's fair to say that a certain percentage of racists are going to be voting against Obama, that's a real concern this cycle.

But I don't think, if he loses, that the racists will be the reason.

OCCOM BILL wrote:

okie wrote:

Yes, Occom Bill, the great intellectual giant, only a moron would disagree with you, just ask you. I think alot of your trash talk has alot to do with you, sadly for you, Bill.

Repeating this tripe won't make it true. One need only consider that I made no such accusations toward the other two conservatives I've been arguing with on this very thread.

Yes, repeating tripe doesn't make it true, Bill. And since you make no accusations against other 2 conservatives here, how come you single out "okie?" Are you bigoted against okies?

Bill, you have called me a bigot or a racist, I don't remember which. Since you don't know me, all you have as evidence is what I said, supposedly, please provide one quote, if you can find one, to prove your claim. I know you can't, because there isn't one. How could there be one, because that is not what I think. This problem goes back a ways, and since you are proud of making accusations, why don't you back it up, instead of simply repeating the tripe without any evidence? Be my guest, Bill.

Big news, racists exist, and they vote. Glad to know it, Bill.

# That many racists will vote against Obama.

I'll be happy to Okie, just as soon as you provide a link to where I called you a racist or a bigot in the first place. I don't recall directly accusing you of either, wouldn't have done so without due cause, and won't be doing your homework for you.