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"Hiberniores hibernis ipsos" - who said it first?

 
 
Reply Fri 27 Jun, 2008 02:56 am
It's a cliche about the medieval Norman settlers in Ireland that they rapidly became "hiberniores hibernis ipsos", i.e. "more Irish than the Irish themselves". I've seen this described as "an old saying" or "a medieval phrase" - but where does it come from? - i.e. who said (or wrote) it first?
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jun, 2008 08:30 am
wikipedia has an answer
See the following link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/More_Irish_than_the_Irish_themselves
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Reply Fri 27 Jun, 2008 03:37 pm
I had already seen that wiki page, and it's as much use as a chocolate teapot.

"Used in the Middle Ages"? By who? That page doesn't cite a single mediaeval document in which it occurs. It's totally unconvincing.
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Reply Fri 27 Jun, 2008 04:50 pm
I went as far as I could with my research. Good luck with your search.

oh...and, you're welcome.
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