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FREE TIBET!!!!...and then what?

 
 
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Reply Sun 20 Apr, 2008 10:13 am
Thomas wrote:
I'd like to second what Dasha just said by asking: How many supporters of a free Tibet have read the constitution the Dalai Lama wishes to enact when he takes power? (Here's a link.)


Why are you quoting the 1963 - and not e.g. the one from 1991 (the Charter of the Tibetans In-Exile) - as the one which the Dalai Lama wishes to enact?

On the other hand, comparing this 1963 constitution was some others from that period ....
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Reply Sun 20 Apr, 2008 10:39 am
I'm interested in a free Tibet.... but I wouldn't have anywhere to keep it...
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Reply Sun 20 Apr, 2008 10:41 am
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Why are you quoting the 1963 - and not e.g. the one from 1991 (the Charter of the Tibetans In-Exile) - as the one which the Dalai Lama wishes to enact?

Because "my" document was intended to govern the actual country Tibet, whereas "your" document, in spite of its colloquial name, applies only to Tibetians in exile -- it's official title is "The Charter of the Tibetians in exile". If the new document supersedes the old, I don't see it saying so.

That said, I admit that the new document is more democratic and less theocratic. And I wonder if this change reflects a change of mind by the Dalai Lama, or a pushback by his constituents.
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Reply Sun 20 Apr, 2008 11:01 am
Well, "yours" was created four years after the Dalai Lama had left Tibet and in exile (India) as well ... :wink:
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Reply Sun 20 Apr, 2008 03:02 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Well, "yours" was created four years after the Dalai Lama had left Tibet and in exile (India) as well ... :wink:

Nevertheless, it was a constitution for Tibet, not for the exile Tibetians. But I won't belabor the matter. Even under the new charter, the (unelected) Dalai Lama wields all executive power, can veto all legislation with no way for the legislature to override him, appoints the chief justice directly, and the other justices of the supreme court indirectly through the chief justice.

Reason enough to assess the Dalai Lama and his political system with at least some skepticism.
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Reply Fri 25 Apr, 2008 08:23 am
So the Chinese mad a U-turn and are now the Chinese will begin talks with representatives of the Dalai Lama within days.


We'll have to wait, I think ...
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Reply Fri 25 Apr, 2008 08:28 am
So I've heard. this morning on the public radio. What astounds me is that even the commentators on the radio operate on some general popular misconceptions. One was talking on and on about how China is not mentioning independence and very much sees Tibet as part of China. I think he had no clue what the Dalai Lama's position and demands are.
Silly.
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Reply Fri 25 Apr, 2008 09:56 am
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China's central government department will meet with Dalai's private representative in the coming days, Xinhua learned from official sources on Friday.

"In view of the requests repeatedly made by the Dalai side for resuming talks, the relevant department of the central government will have contact and consultation with Dalai's private representative in the coming days," an official said.

"The policy of the central government towards Dalai has been consistent and the door of dialogue has remained open," he said.

"It is hoped that through contact and consultation, the Dalai side will take credible moves to stop activities aimed at splitting China, stop plotting and inciting violence and stop disrupting and sabotaging the Beijing Olympic Games so as to create conditions for talks."

(Xinhua News Agency April 25, 2008)
via China.org


Spiegel-online reports: China Offers to Meet with Dalai Lama Aide:
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Many observers feel that China used the talks simply to give the impression of being willing to engage in dialogue, in order to pacify critics and buy time. Observers are also skeptical about how serious the new offer is. They point out that the Xinhua news agency spoke only of "contact and consultations," rather than talks or negotiations, and suggest the offer is just another attempt to limit the damage to China's reputation on the international stage.



The Chinese view is a bit different: China's decision to meet Dalai's representative receives positive responses:
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China received positive responses Friday after announcing that the central government will meet with the Dalai Lama's private representative in the coming days.
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Reply Fri 25 Apr, 2008 12:32 pm
I want to know what the Chinese govt is afraid of, since they are now trying to make rules governing death...

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23096265-23109,00.html

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A SENIOR Tibetan lama and Chinese government advisers have defended contentious rules banning reincarnations of "living Buddhas" without approval.

The rules are apparently aimed at empowering China to name the next Dalai Lama when the 14th and current Dalai Lama dies.


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The rules, which came into force on September 1, bar any Buddhist monk living outside China from seeking reincarnation for himself or recognising a "living Buddha".

Reincarnations of about 1000 living Buddhas have been approved in Tibet and Tibetan populated areas of Sichuan, Qinghai, Gansu and Yunnan since 1991, according to a government website.

In 1995, the Dalai Lama and China's Communist authorities chose rival reincarnations of the 10th Panchen Lama, who died in 1989. The Panchen Lama is the second-highest figure in Tibet's spiritual hierarchy.

The boy anointed by the Dalai Lama, then aged six, swiftly disappeared from public view, prompting international rights groups to call him the "world's youngest political prisoner".



So now the Chinese govt is going to tell Buddhist living in America or any other country how to believe?
It seems to me that this is going to far, even for the Chinese.
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Reply Wed 28 May, 2008 10:38 am
free yourself
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