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Why did Obama stay in Rev. Wright's church?

 
 
Mame
 
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Reply Wed 30 Apr, 2008 06:00 pm
Watch it teeny, Lash will lash out with her tongue and THEN you'll be sorry! I've read all about it, heh heh
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 30 Apr, 2008 06:16 pm
nimh wrote:
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Beyond Parody

29 Apr 2008

From Fox News' website yesterday:

    Obama Rejects Wright Comments Says pastor doesn't speak for him, campaign Democratic presidential candidate puts distance between his campaign and pastor's latest statements Special Report w/ Brit Hume: Fact-checking one of the claims made by Rev. Jeremiah Wright The O'Reilly Factor: The comeback of Rev. Jeremiah Wright Hannity & Colmes: Huckabee's Take Former GOP presidential candidate weighs in on Rev. Wright; McCain's campaign VIDEO: FOX News contributor Michael Steele on the message of Rev. Wright's media tour OPINIONS: Susan Estrich: Who Needs Friends Like the Rev. Wright? John Moody: Memo to Rev. Wright: Do Souls Have Colors? On the Record w/ Greta: Deadly Shark Attack Expert explains what led to Great White's attack on swimmer

The shark story is what makes it all worthwhile.


That's about right - when it comes to an opportunity to score partisan points, Fox News instantly loses all sense of proportion. This must be the kind of wall-to-wall coverage that's normally reserved for elections or natural disasters.

Like someone said, when it's election year Fox News basically performs as the media arm of the Republican Party.


What opportunity do you see in those news stories to 'score partisan points'? What partisan points do you think are being scored? Exactly how quickly is that 'instantly' anyway? And how are the Fox headlines any more 'partisan' than headlines you are seeing from other media sources? Do you hold other media sources to the same standards that you hold Fox? Why? Are any of the sources below dealing with the Wright story to score 'partisan points'? Or are they all focused on the most compelling news story of the day?


Here's a sampling of headlines from the RCP site in the last two days; and you can be sure thiese aren't the only "Wright" reference at any of these media sources either:


What Changed Obama's Mind? - Richard Baehr, American Thinker

Judge Obama on His Beliefs, Not Wright's - Scot Lehigh, Boston Globe

Obama's Un-Disownable Preacher - Michelle Malkin, New York Post

Obama opens a can of worms - Chicago Sun Times

The Long List of Afrocentric 'Educators' - Heather Mac Donald, City Journal

What Took So Long for Obama to React? - Peter Canellos, Boston Globe

Breaking with Wright is an Opportunity for Obama - Dick Morris, The Hill

The Danger for Obama Isn't Over - Byron York, National Review Online

The Problem is Not Jeremiah Wright - John Nichols, The Nation

Revenge is Sweet for 'Betrayed' Pastor - Fred Dicker, New York Post

Damage Control, Take 2 - USA Today

Wright Proves His Critics Right - Jonah Goldberg, Los Angeles Times

Obama's Pastor Casts a Shadow - Bob Herbert, New York Times

Wright Where He Belongs - George Will, Washington Post

Reversing Course, Obama Denounces Wright - Vaughn Ververs, CBS News

Obama, Wright, and Honesty - Rich Lowry, National Review

Wright is Controversial, but Not Wrong - Ruth Conniff, The Progressive

The Anatomy of Wright's Disinvitation - Tom Bevan, RealClearPolitics

Rev. Wright's Return - Wall Street Journal

Spinning the News Out of Control - Dallas Morning News

Defiant Wright Puts Obama in Tough Spot - Chicago Tribune
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Wed 30 Apr, 2008 08:30 pm
Barack Obama's problem is not just Jeremiah Wright.
It's a political culture that uses character assassination to reverse electoral misfortune--and a media that willingly plays along.
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat/316575
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Wed 30 Apr, 2008 09:00 pm
For years, Democrats have been trying to shed their secular image in order to appeal to voters who think Jesus is a Republican. As the saying goes, be careful what you wish for, because now, thanks to the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, the Democrats have got religion and everything that comes with it -- weirdness, wrath, insult, blowhardiness, vanity, paranoia, divisiveness and trouble. When Barack Obama told the 2004 Democratic convention, "We worship an awesome god in the blue states," this probably wasn't the result he had in mind.

By repudiating Wright Tuesday, Obama missed a chance to call on McCain to turn away from his own problematic clerical helpers. McCain still welcomes the endorsement of the televangelist John Hagee, who has famously attributed Hurricane Katrina to God's wrath at homosexuals, calls the Catholic church "the great whore," claims the Koran commands Muslims to kill Jews and Christians, condemns the Harry Potter books as witchcraft, and wants a world war over Israel, whose most aggressive settlement policies he vigorously supports, because it will precipitate the Second Coming of Christ.

As Sarah Posner lays out in an excellent post for TAPPED, Wright and Hagee have a lot in common. Both believe that chickens come home to roost--in New Orleans, on 9/11--and that God sends them. Both think America is sinful. Both have bizarre ideas with terrible, real-world implications: Hagee wants the US and israel to attack Iran to bring on the end times; Rev. Wright claims the United States government invented the HIV virus "as a means of genocide against people of color."

The fact is, if Wright were a white wingnut, the media--and the voters--would give him the pass they give Hagee- and Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson and the other radical-right preachers, who say vicious, bigoted, nutty things that violate common sense and common decency all the time. The press portrays these divines in various ways -- respectable men of the cloth or shrewd political operators or occasionally even as crazy old coots-- but it doesn't get anywhere near as worked up about them, or about their closeness to Republican politicians, as it did about Wright. You probably don't even know that McCain accepted the endorsement of the Ohio Pentecostal minister Rod Parsley, campaigned with him in Cincinnati and praised him as a "moral compass" and a "spiritual guide"--Rod Parsley, who in addition to the customary anti-gay obsessions, has described Allah as a "demon spirit" and Islam as a "false religion" the United States was "in part" founded in order to destroy in holy war!

McCain's defenders want the press to make much of the fact that Wright was Obama's pastor for many years, while Hagee and Parsley are not personally close to McCain. Why that is the difference that should matter is beyond me-- why isn't it more important that McCain has sought out these warmongering preachers and specifically said their position on the Middle East is what he likes about them? Pretty scary!

But here's the larger point: If we kept religion out of the election campaign, we could just debate the issues, like rational people. After all, which is less likely, that the HIV virus came out of a government lab, or that the dead will rise from their graves? That Israel is on a course that is not likely to end well, or that God wants more West Bank settlements in order to set off a world war and bring on Christ's return? Empirical claims we can discuss and debate like citizens; religious beliefs, by their very nature, claim immunity from rational analysis. When men whose profession is the latter weigh in on the former, why should anyone take them seriously?

As Barack Obama has perhaps belatedly learned, the Democrats had it right the first time: Awesome,blue-state, red-state, whatever -- keep God out of it, and the men who claim to speak for him, too.

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/anotherthing/316971
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Wed 30 Apr, 2008 09:33 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
nimh wrote:
Quote:
Beyond Parody

29 Apr 2008

From Fox News' website yesterday:

    Obama Rejects Wright Comments Says pastor doesn't speak for him, campaign Democratic presidential candidate puts distance between his campaign and pastor's latest statements Special Report w/ Brit Hume: Fact-checking one of the claims made by Rev. Jeremiah Wright The O'Reilly Factor: The comeback of Rev. Jeremiah Wright Hannity & Colmes: Huckabee's Take Former GOP presidential candidate weighs in on Rev. Wright; McCain's campaign VIDEO: FOX News contributor Michael Steele on the message of Rev. Wright's media tour OPINIONS: Susan Estrich: Who Needs Friends Like the Rev. Wright? John Moody: Memo to Rev. Wright: Do Souls Have Colors? On the Record w/ Greta: Deadly Shark Attack Expert explains what led to Great White's attack on swimmer

The shark story is what makes it all worthwhile.


That's about right - when it comes to an opportunity to score partisan points, Fox News instantly loses all sense of proportion. This must be the kind of wall-to-wall coverage that's normally reserved for elections or natural disasters.

Like someone said, when it's election year Fox News basically performs as the media arm of the Republican Party.


What opportunity do you see in those news stories to 'score partisan points'? What partisan points do you think are being scored? Exactly how quickly is that 'instantly' anyway? And how are the Fox headlines any more 'partisan' than headlines you are seeing from other media sources? Do you hold other media sources to the same standards that you hold Fox? Why? Are any of the sources below dealing with the Wright story to score 'partisan points'? Or are they all focused on the most compelling news story of the day?


Here's a sampling of headlines from the RCP site in the last two days; and you can be sure thiese aren't the only "Wright" reference at any of these media sources either:


What Changed Obama's Mind? - Richard Baehr, American Thinker

Judge Obama on His Beliefs, Not Wright's - Scot Lehigh, Boston Globe

Obama's Un-Disownable Preacher - Michelle Malkin, New York Post

Obama opens a can of worms - Chicago Sun Times

The Long List of Afrocentric 'Educators' - Heather Mac Donald, City Journal

What Took So Long for Obama to React? - Peter Canellos, Boston Globe

Breaking with Wright is an Opportunity for Obama - Dick Morris, The Hill

The Danger for Obama Isn't Over - Byron York, National Review Online

The Problem is Not Jeremiah Wright - John Nichols, The Nation

Revenge is Sweet for 'Betrayed' Pastor - Fred Dicker, New York Post

Damage Control, Take 2 - USA Today

Wright Proves His Critics Right - Jonah Goldberg, Los Angeles Times

Obama's Pastor Casts a Shadow - Bob Herbert, New York Times

Wright Where He Belongs - George Will, Washington Post

Reversing Course, Obama Denounces Wright - Vaughn Ververs, CBS News

Obama, Wright, and Honesty - Rich Lowry, National Review

Wright is Controversial, but Not Wrong - Ruth Conniff, The Progressive

The Anatomy of Wright's Disinvitation - Tom Bevan, RealClearPolitics

Rev. Wright's Return - Wall Street Journal

Spinning the News Out of Control - Dallas Morning News

Defiant Wright Puts Obama in Tough Spot - Chicago Tribune


Jonah Goldberg, Michelle Malkin, Rich Lowry, George Will? Foxfyre?


It takes someone who is totally delusional not to recognize the partisan nature of Faux News on the Wright "issue." And to be so obsessed with it. Pathetic.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Wed 30 Apr, 2008 09:47 pm
"I am constantly amazed at the obscure details that politicians will dig up to cast aspersions upon the personal lives of their opponents in order to keep the people from looking at the issues. Lately we are being exposed to the "Preacher Scandal" where each candidate is expected to tell their pastor to just shut up!


The mainstream media is having a field day with this minutia while parading "experts" on both politics and religion across our screen. Hours of air time are spent on this trivia while the soldiers keep dying in Iraq, the criminality of the Pentagon policies, the brutal treatment, not only of our prisoners, but of our "all-volunteer" servicewomen, is conveniently swept under the rug and onto the back pages of the newspapers.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, homes are being foreclosed by predatory lenders, gasoline prices are in the stratosphere, and the cost of even food has become prohibitive. Meanwhile, the small amount of money that is left in the pockets of the working class is being rooted out to pay for health care, medications, and the very basics of life in order to enrich still further the corporate thieves in the board rooms. Those scoundrels are aware that their time is short and they must gouge all they can from the working class before the current administration leaves office and their gravy train ends.


we have all heard Jerry Falwell and John Hagee and their pronouncements about the wrath of God as the reasons for each of the disasters that have befallen our country as well as the other calls from the Fundamentalist pastors of divine retaliation for our failure to embrace their faith. They do not ask for God to damn America but tell us that He already has! We should pay no more attention to the professional rantings of Pastor Wright than we do to those of the Fundamentlists and get on with the process of choosing the next leader of out nation. If we must pray for something, let it be that we still have a nation to govern in January, 2009.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19842.htm
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Wed 30 Apr, 2008 10:05 pm
Obama"s press conference:

"I have spent my whole life trying to bridge the gap between different human beings.....That's who I am and that's what this campaign is all about. Yesterday we saw a very different kind of vision of America (Rev Wright's speech to the National Press Club) I am outraged by the comments that were made and saddened over the spectacle. The Reverend Wright I saw yesterday was not the person I knew 20 years ago. His comments were not only divisive and destructive, but they give comfort to those who prey on hate. They do not accurately portray my values and beliefs. If Reverend Wright thinks that is 'political posturing' than he does not know me very well. And based on his comments yesterday I may not know him as well as I thought either."

Blah. blah, blah. The media, of course, is elated with their victory; they've achieved their goal. They "persuaded" Obama to betray a friend. Mission accomplished. 1,816 articles appeared overnight on Google News celebrating the prodigals return to the fold; Barak is back. Hooray. Obama's capitulation may be the greatest media triumph since the shrewish Linda Tripp produced the blue dress with the incriminating splotch. It just doesn't get any better than this. Obama showed that he is not only willing to sacrifice his friends for his political ambitions, but that he's also willing to distance himself from the very traditions and movements which made his candidacy possible. What more could they want?
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19847.htm
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Wed 30 Apr, 2008 10:15 pm
Another sane critical voice which mirrors my view.

"Of course, Obama is an elitist. (As are Clinton and McCain.)

And he has been put on notice by the Powers That Be that they have no problem with him being among their ranks, as long as he doesn't go rattling off at the mouth about those the rigged system benefits and those it kicks daily in the gut.

Because in a political culture as far down the rabbit hole as is this one, the surest way to be branded an elitist is to refuse to serve the elite. (Not that Obama threatened any such thing.)

This is the modus operandi of the lacquered, autoerotic dudes and dolls of the corporate media and the K Street cash-flushed phonies of the American political classes: Pose as protecters of the beer-bleary multitudes, as, all the while, carrying vintage Cabernet for a privileged few.

This is not a situation fraught with layers of ambiguity in which any deeper meaning can be mined: Below the corporate media's electronic cloud of nebulous phoniness lies a dense core of calcified phoniness.

Thus it is difficult not to harbor contempt for this cartel of narcissistic strivers who have networked the nation into a perpetual state of cataclysmic ignorance.

Seemingly, their creed is: Let the ignorant multitudes languish on the low nutrient, junk news we serve them from the drive thru windows of our corporate media outlets, while the political and business elite cannibalize what is left of the republic.

The ongoing tragedy in Iraq and the ecological and economic turmoil roiling the globe are consequences of the domination-driven mindset that the mainstream media protects. Ergo, increasingly violent responses from outside forces, both of the human and natural variety, are rising across the planet.

America, many shocks and sorrows are coming soon (probably sooner than you think) to that vacuous bubble known as "your way of life."

It should be increasingly clear to see that the corporate media's job has never been to be unbiased chroniclers of the events and circumstances of a free republic.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19844.htm
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maporsche
 
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Reply Thu 1 May, 2008 06:10 am
Ramafuchs wrote:
For years, Democrats have been trying to shed their secular image in order to appeal to voters who think Jesus is a Republican. As the saying goes, be careful what you wish for, because now, thanks to the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, the Democrats have got religion and everything that comes with it -- weirdness, wrath, insult, blowhardiness, vanity, paranoia, divisiveness and trouble. When Barack Obama told the 2004 Democratic convention, "We worship an awesome god in the blue states," this probably wasn't the result he had in mind.


I couldn't agree more.
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 1 May, 2008 08:35 am
Foxfyre wrote:
Here's a sampling of headlines from the RCP site in the last two days; and you can be sure thiese aren't the only "Wright" reference at any of these media sources either:

Very basic logical flaw here, Fox.

Apples and oranges.

Yes, all media have written a lot about Wright.

Fox News on the other hand had nothing but Wright on its website.

Well, Wright plus a shark as footnote.

Let's say, ten newspapers with each, say, five Wright stories makes for a list of fifty Wright stories, yes. But in each newspaper, there was five Wright stories on a total of, say, fifty news stories. The Fox example, on the other hand, had seven Wright stories and nothing else but one piece of local news.

Pretty big difference, no?

Thats "wall-to-wall coverage", and that's where the observation of Fox "losing all sense of proportion when it comes to an opportunity to score partisan points" comes in.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 1 May, 2008 02:31 pm
nimh wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
Here's a sampling of headlines from the RCP site in the last two days; and you can be sure thiese aren't the only "Wright" reference at any of these media sources either:

Very basic logical flaw here, Fox.

Apples and oranges.

Yes, all media have written a lot about Wright.

Fox News on the other hand had nothing but Wright on its website.

Well, Wright plus a shark as footnote.

Let's say, ten newspapers with each, say, five Wright stories makes for a list of fifty Wright stories, yes. But in each newspaper, there was five Wright stories on a total of, say, fifty news stories. The Fox example, on the other hand, had seven Wright stories and nothing else but one piece of local news.

Pretty big difference, no?

Thats "wall-to-wall coverage", and that's where the observation of Fox "losing all sense of proportion when it comes to an opportunity to score partisan points" comes in.


Did you check CNN, MSNBC, ABC, et al on the same day to see what the headlines on their websites were?

In the last 3 days I have seen several thoughtful programs on Fox with those who were defending Obama, who were defending Wright, who were criticizing both and that included a couple of black UCC pastors on the critics' side, but every....and I do mean EVERY....point of view was put out there.

I have seen a remarkable hour of Bill O'Reilly in an interview with Hillary Clinton that showed a side to Hillary that would make Hillary supporters proud. It was congenial, pleasant, fun, and showed her at her very best dealing with real issues in an honest manner. And no, they didn't duck any issues either.

And I saw headlines featuring Wright EVERYWHERE because it was the most compelling news story out there and the one people were most interested in at the time.

I am guessing that few sources provided as complete and evenly presented analysis of the whole Jeremiah flap as did Fox news. And I'm guessing they didn't focus on Jeremiah Wright any more than anybody else did.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Thu 1 May, 2008 05:54 pm
Among the three candidates/aspirants
My choice is this.
OBAMA
Clinton and this famous rebulican..
Since i am not an American I beg all americans to go the poll and vote according to your conscience.
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Thu 1 May, 2008 06:53 pm
Rev wright's media blitz was, of course, a topic of interest for a few days but now it's yesterday's news but the obsessed FF will continue to harp on it from now until November.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Thu 1 May, 2008 06:58 pm
After BUSH
USA should struggle to get a good image for 30 years..
Come what may.
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