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Oklahoma's answer to the the illegal alien problem.

 
 
View Profile au1929
 
Reply Wed 24 Oct, 2007 12:37 pm
I received this from my neice a resident of Oklahoma. the question is will it hold up or will some federal judge rule it unconstitutional??? What is your opinion?







Well, it passed! Oklahoma is no longer OK for Illegal Aliens........ It
seems that at least one state has decided to take matters into it's own
hands, since the Federal Government keeps dragging it's feet on this
Illegal alien stuff and even reversing popular opinion on how to handle
it. BRAVO OKLAHOMA! (Too bad all politicians don't have the 'guts' to do
this)

Every State needs to do this!!!!

Oklahoma's Governor Brad Henry has signed a sweeping immigration Reform
bill: House Bill 1804, that its sponsor believes will go a long way in
dealing with the illegal alien problem in the state.

House Bill 1804 was passed by overwhelming majorities in both the House
and Senate of the Oklahoma Legislature. The measure's sponsor, State
Representative Randy Terrill, says the bill has four main topical areas:
it deals with identity theft; it terminates public assistance benefits
to illegal; it empowers state and local police to enforce federal
immigration laws; and it punishes employers who knowingly hire illegal
aliens.

Oklahoma is no longer "O.K." for illegal aliens, Terrill observes. "When
you put everything together in context," he contends, "the bottom line
is illegal aliens will not come here if there are no jobs waiting for
them, they will not stay here if there is no government subsidy, and
they certainly won't stay here if they know that if they ever encounter
our state and local law enforcement officers, they will be physically
detained until they're deported. And that's exactly what House Bill 1804
does."

The Oklahoma legislator is pleased the bill he sponsored into law was
signed by Governor Henry and believes it will go a long way to curb the
illegal immigration problem in the state. "I would remind people that
states are separate sovereigns in our federal system," T errill points
out. "Anyone who doesn't understand that needs to go back and take an
American federal government class in college," he says.

As a result of that sovereignty, the Oklahoma lawmaker insists, "We have
as much right - in fact, I would argue, a responsibility - to protect
our tax payers against that sort of egregious waste, fraud and abuse as
the federal government should have a responsibility to protect that
international border, but doesn't do that."

Terrill says as long as the federal government refuses to do its job of
protecting the international borders of the United States, states like
Oklahoma must take action to deal with the problem that is costing
taxpayers in the state $200 billion a year in public benefits, law
enforcement costs, and other resources.

14 GOOD REASONS TO DEPORT ILLEGAL ALIENS
(websites provided for verification)

Hope these 14 reasons are forwarded over and over again until t hey are
read by the majority of Americans. Then they will have something to yell
at their U.S. Congress members.

1.. - $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to
illegal aliens each year. http://tinyurl.com/zob77

2. - $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs
such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

3. - $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

4. - $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school
education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of
English! http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html

5. - $1 7 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the
American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

6. - $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

7. - 30% of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnncom/TRANSCRIPTS/06 04/01/ldt.01.html

8. - $90 Bill ion Do llars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare
& social services by the American taxpayers.
http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html

9. - $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused
by the illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

10. - The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's
two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular,
their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the
United States http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html

11. - During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens
that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens
from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth,
heroine and marijuana, crossed into the U. S. from the Southern border.
Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl.com/t9sht

12 - The National Policy Institute "estimated that the total cost of
mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average
cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period."
http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf

13. - In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back
to their countries of or igin. http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm

14. - So if deporting them costs between $206 and $230 BILLION DOLLARS,
Start getting rid of em.' We'll be ahead after the 1st year!!!
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View Profile Foofie
 
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Reply Wed 24 Oct, 2007 06:04 pm
Will it still cost the country all that money if they were made legal? In other words, what makes citizens not as expensive? Our tax money, I assume. O.K., just make them legal and then they file tax returns.

Is there still a desire to deport them if the cost can be resolved???
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View Profile OGIONIK
 
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Reply Sat 27 Oct, 2007 09:06 am
i doubt it, racism is rampant and deeply rooted in humans.

if immigrants paid their share 100% like any other citizen, people would still complain.

even if they paid 200% more than they should people would whine.
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Reply Sat 27 Oct, 2007 09:14 am
Racism may well be a part of it, but I think that is a peripheral issue. The operative word is ILLEGAL. For over a century, people have waited in line, filled out the necessary papers, and have come into the country legally.

Because of "political correctness", there are people who think that anyone who wants to can just come into the country, and enjoy the benefits of citizenship, without having to work for that privilege. If people object, the spectre of "racism" is trotted out.

I think that, especially in these troubled times, there needs to be an orderly and legal way for folks to come to the United States.
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View Profile au1929
 
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Reply Sat 27 Oct, 2007 12:02 pm
OGIONIK

You an others continue to refer to these people as immigrants. They are not. They are lawbreakers, criminals if you will, that have no right to be in the US. I suppose for some the rule of law only pertains to citizens not illegal aliens.
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Reply Sat 27 Oct, 2007 01:57 pm
Racial and ethnic discrimination is the crux of the matter concerning the curtailment of immigration in the US. Millions upon millions of immigrants were allowed to wait in line, fill out the necessary papers and come into the country legally. Beginning with the Emergency Quota Act of 1921, however, immigration was curtailed through a national which limited the number of immigrants from any country to 3% of the number of people from that country already in the US. which heavily favored immigrants from Western European countries. The act was designed specifically to limit the immigration numbers of Southern and Eastern Europeans who had previously entered the country in huge numbers in the late 19th century. This Act was superseded by the Immigration Act of 1924 through which immigration to the country was curtailed explicitly along racial and ethnic lines. In addition the act limited the national immigration quota of the EQA to 2% of the number of people from that country already in the US. In addition to curtailing Southern and Eastern European immigration, the act completely prohibited immigration from Far Eastern and Southern Asian countries.

The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 abolished the overtly racist restrictions against Asians of the 1924 act, but its implementation still resulted in discriminatory restrictions against Asians, and significantly limited their immigration to the US. The act retained the national quota system of the 1924 act which heavily favored immigration from Western European countries. This act established a preference system which favored labor skills and familial ties that is still implemented today.

As for the rational behind the INA of 1952, one of the sponsors of the bill, Pat McCarran, after whom the bill was named along with Francis Walter, is quoted by Wikipedia in the Congressional Record thusly:

"I believe that this nation is the last hope of Western civilization and if this oasis of the world shall be overrun, perverted, contaminated or destroyed, then the last flickering light of humanity will be extinguished. I take no issue with those who would praise the contributions which have been made to our society by people of many races, of varied creeds and colors. America is indeed a joining together of many streams which go to form a mighty river which we call the American way. However, we have in the United States today hard-core, indigestible blocs which have not become integrated into the American way of life, but which, on the contrary are its deadly enemies. Today, as never before, untold millions are storming our gates for admission and those gates are cracking under the strain. The solution of the problems of Europe and Asia will not come through a transplanting of those problems en masse to the United States.... I do not intend to become prophetic, but if the enemies of this legislation succeed in riddling it to pieces, or in amending it beyond recognition, they will have contributed more to promote this nation's downfall than any other group since we achieved our independence as a nation." (Senator Pat McCarran, Cong. Rec., March 2, 1953, p. 1518.)

President Harry Truman said in his veto message:
"Today, we are protecting ourselves as we were in 1924, against being flooded by immigrants from Eastern Europe. This is fantastic...We do not need to be protected against immigrants from these countries on the contrary we want to stretch out a helping hand, to save those who have managed to flee into Western Europe, to succor those who are brave enough to escape from barbarism, to welcome and restore them against the day when their countries will, as we hope, be free again...these are only a few examples of the absurdity, the cruelty of carrying over into this year of 1952 the isolationist limitations of our 1924 law. In no other realm of our national life are we so hampered and stultified by the dead hand of the past, as we are in this field of immigration."

His veto was overridden by a vote of 278 to 113 in the House and 57 to 26 in the Senate.
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View Profile parados
 
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Reply Sat 27 Oct, 2007 04:15 pm
NOt this crap AGAIN..
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14 GOOD REASONS TO DEPORT ILLEGAL ALIENS
(websites provided for verification)

Hope these 14 reasons are forwarded over and over again until t hey are
read by the majority of Americans. Then they will have something to yell
at their U.S. Congress members.

1.. - $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to
illegal aliens each year. http://tinyurl.com/zob77
This cites a single study. It says THIS..
Each year, state governments spend an estimated $11 billion to $22 billion to provide welfare to immigrants. When you read the study. The majority of it goes to LEGAL immigrants. The amount going to illegal immigrants is actually about $1040 per household and 663,000 households. Table 1 and Figure 3.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2003/back503.html


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2. - $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs
such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

3. - $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
The numbers aren't supported for this study so I can't check them. But compare these numbers to numbers used later in this rant.
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4. - $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school
education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of
English! http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html

5. - $1 7 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the
American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
Again from a single study. No other supporting evidence
Quote:

6. - $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
The accurate quote is..
"taxpayers spend more than $3 million every day to house non-U.S. citizen dollars in our federal prisons "

All immigrants are NOT illegal aliens.
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7. - 30% of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnncom/TRANSCRIPTS/06 04/01/ldt.01.html
The quote is as follows
"30 percent of federal prisoners are not U.S. citizens."
Again an attempt is made to turn all immigrants into illegals.

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8. - $90 Bill ion Do llars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare
& social services by the American taxpayers.
http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html
That is quite a jump from the number in the first quote. In the earlier transcript Lou Dobbs says this.
"We know that the costs, the estimated costs run about $50 billion for services,"

This quote is as follows
ROBERT RECTOR, HERITAGE FOUNDATION: Well, assuming that we have about 11 million immigrants in the U.S., the net cost or the total cost of services and benefits provided to them, education, welfare, general social services would be about $90 billion a year..

In other words, this is just a made up number. It has no basis in any actual study.
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9. - $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused
by the illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
No study is cited.
Quote:

10. - The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's
two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular,
their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the
United States http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html

The actual quote
I'll say another thing that can't be said here, which is the fact that Hispanics in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-Hispanics

There are millions of US born Hispanics and millions of legal Hispanic immigrants. Not to mention the fact that a lot of illegal immigrants are NOT hispanic.
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11. - During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens
that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens
from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth,
heroine and marijuana, crossed into the U. S. from the Southern border.
Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl.com/t9sht

12 - The National Policy Institute "estimated that the total cost of
mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average
cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period."
http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf

13. - In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back
to their countries of or igin. http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm

14. - So if deporting them costs between $206 and $230 BILLION DOLLARS,
Start getting rid of em.' We'll be ahead after the 1st year!!!

Maybe you should read the studies listed earlier before you believe this statement. The actual cost isn't even close to 200 billion.
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View Profile Foofie
 
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Reply Sat 27 Oct, 2007 06:25 pm
au1929 wrote:
OGIONIK

You an others continue to refer to these people as immigrants. They are not. They are lawbreakers, criminals if you will, that have no right to be in the US. I suppose for some the rule of law only pertains to citizens not illegal aliens.


If these "illegals" are Hispanic they are just migrating from one part of their ancestral land to another part of their ancestral land, as I understand history.

If you are old enough to remember the Lone Ranger on tv, he had an Indian sidekick Tonto ("foolish" in Spanish) who used to answer the Lone Ranger's question, "Which way did the bad guys go?" with the reply, "Kemo sabe," which was Tonto's broken Spanish (as an Indian) for Quien sabe? (Who knows?). My point is, the Lone Ranger, if he would have existed at that point in history, in the Southwest, he would have been speaking Spanish.

Regardless of how the U.S. acquired that land, I believe we should be more hospitable to those whose ancestors knew that land as their land. Perhaps, the Southwest emotionally is to many Hispanics like Israel is to Jews? An historical connection that modern borders cannot erase.
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View Profile roger
 
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Reply Sun 28 Oct, 2007 01:23 am
I would seriously distrust anyone who followed the pure "conservative" or "liberal" line on every issue. Foofie and I do not happen to agree on this issue, but there's always another issue coming along.
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Reply Sun 28 Oct, 2007 01:25 am
Foofie wrote:
An historical connection that modern borders cannot erase.


a fine argument against borders and even governments, in my opinion.
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Reply Sun 28 Oct, 2007 01:28 am
roger wrote:
I would seriously distrust anyone who followed the pure "conservative" or "liberal" line on every issue.


me too, i was finding humor in it. i also thought i was being unfair, but above all unconstructive. the new version might not be more fair than noting amusement in such a liberal stance on foofie's part, but at least it means something. (again, my opinion.)
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View Profile au1929
 
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Reply Sun 28 Oct, 2007 08:24 am
Foofie wrote:
au1929 wrote:
OGIONIK

You an others continue to refer to these people as immigrants. They are not. They are lawbreakers, criminals if you will, that have no right to be in the US. I suppose for some the rule of law only pertains to citizens not illegal aliens.


If these "illegals" are Hispanic they are just migrating from one part of their ancestral land to another part of their ancestral land, as I understand history.

If you are old enough to remember the Lone Ranger on tv, he had an Indian sidekick Tonto ("foolish" in Spanish) who used to answer the Lone Ranger's question, "Which way did the bad guys go?" with the reply, "Kemo sabe," which was Tonto's broken Spanish (as an Indian) for Quien sabe? (Who knows?). My point is, the Lone Ranger, if he would have existed at that point in history, in the Southwest, he would have been speaking Spanish.

Regardless of how the U.S. acquired that land, I believe we should be more hospitable to those whose ancestors knew that land as their land. Perhaps, the Southwest emotionally is to many Hispanics like Israel is to Jews? An historical connection that modern borders cannot erase.


Ancestral land my foot.. They are leaving their homes and families not to reclaim their ancestral land but for purely economic reasons.
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Reply Sun 28 Oct, 2007 08:28 am
au1929 wrote:
They are leaving their homes and families not to reclaim their ancestral land but for purely economic reasons.


Thank heavens that all other Americans had different reasons when they or they ancestors immigrated.
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View Profile au1929
 
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Reply Sun 28 Oct, 2007 08:39 am
Walter Hinteler wrote:
au1929 wrote:
They are leaving their homes and families not to reclaim their ancestral land but for purely economic reasons.


Thank heavens that all other Americans had different reasons when they or they ancestors immigrated.


There were many reasons that people emigrated to the US. However, in this instance the primary reason is economics.
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Reply Sun 28 Oct, 2007 08:56 am
au1929 wrote:
There were many reasons that people emigrated to the US. However, in this instance the primary reason is economics.


I know, I look at the Library of Congress wensites quite often:
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People in many parts of the world decided to leave their homes and immigrate to the U. S. Fleeing crop failure, land and job shortages, rising taxes, and famine, many came to the U. S. because it was perceived as the land of economic opportunity.
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Reply Sun 28 Oct, 2007 09:03 am
I believe there may be some illegal aliens in New Mexico.
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Reply Sun 28 Oct, 2007 09:08 am
That could be, indeed. Especially after 1848.
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Reply Sun 28 Oct, 2007 01:34 pm
There are hundreds of thousands of illegal (criminal) LEGALS throughout the country; I'll bet the VAST majority of illegal aliens are honest VERY hardworking people. I think we need them to pay into social security for the time when our babyboomers start drawing their benefits. Some fair system is needed so that we can enjoy the benefits of their labor in a way that does not unduly exploit them. Already we are taking advantage of the poverty in other countries in hiring their youth as mercenaries to help fight our wars.
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