flaja wrote:nimh wrote:Up until you entered this thread, right? Because thanks to this thread, you should now know that many people, academics and organisations, up to the US Holocaust Memorial Museum, do often apply the term Holocaust to the genocide against the Roma too. You've been shown links, quotes and references.
Popular culture and historical fact dont always coincide.
What I wrote is that "many people,
academics and organisations, ... often apply the term Holocaust to the genocide against the Roma too".
Academics - not just "popular culture".
We've shown you specific instances of where academic researchers did so. I even referred you to a link that has hundreds, if not thousands of instances where websites of
US universities apply the term Holocaust to describe the extermination of the Roma as well. Just browse through many of the results on the first page or two
of these 29,000 hits on sites of US universities for <roma holocaust>.
flaja wrote:But the Germans did not persecute the Gypsies solely for this reason.
The Germans did specifically single out the Roma/Gypsies for persecution because of how they were considered "racially inferior". You have, in fact, been shown links and quotes from different reputable sites and publications, varying from historical research to the US Holocaust Memorial Museum, saying so in this very thread.
flaja wrote:yes, I do likely know more about the Holocaust than someone who hasnt formally studied history does.
However, you happen to be in the company here of a number of people who have studied history a lot longer than you - for example, IIRC Dagmaraka is doing her PhD at Harvard on historical memory, I have a MA in East European History, bla bla et cetera. None of that is particularly relevant - we all come here with things we know a lot about, things we know some stuff about, and things we dont know much about at all. We come here to learn - at least, that's the general idea.
But you come here stating the things that you are "not aware of", are helpfully shown an array of links, maps and texts from both historians and organisations commemorating the Holocaust that inform you about them -- and yet you then end up flatly re-stating this stuff? That the Roma were not persecuted specifically for racial reasons, that "historical fact" precludes ever using the term Holocaust for the Nazi's systematic slaughter of the Roma? Come on. Ignorance is no shame, we're all ignorant of many things, but wilful ignorance is. Look up, read up, click those links, learn. And if you find interesting sources that do bolster your arguments, by all means, bring them back here.
